Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forum“I’ll Never Vote for Hillary!” Yeah, OK.
Makes some good points--many of which we heard before but has not sunk in for many
http://bittergertrude.com/2016/03/14/ill-never-vote-for-hillary-yeah-ok/
Mar 14 2016
Ill Never Vote for Hillary! Yeah, OK.
The latest installment of The Internet Explodes with Hatred for Hillary Clinton happened earlier this week, when HRC (whose own record on AIDS research and funding is better than any other candidate) mistakenly said that Nancy Reagan was a lowkey supporter of AIDS research, when Reagan was, in reality, a massive asshole about AIDS in every possible way. Clinton immediately apologized, then apologized again, at length. Yet were still seeing a wagonload of Ill never vote for her from progressives, as if her words about Reagan trump (and Im using that verb deliberately) her actual record on AIDS research and funding. Why?
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Clintons stellar record on AIDS is ignored while people indignantly attack her for making an inaccurate statement. I like Bernie. I really do feel the Bern. But I see Democrats brush aside things he and other male politicians have done while raining fire on Hillary for the exact same thing or something much less. This happens all the time. Hillary is flamed for being a career politician and an insider when Sanders has been in political office for much longer than she has. (Hillary was first elected to political office in 2000; Sanders was elected to his first office in 1981 and his first national office in 1991.) People flame Hillary for speaking in favor of the omnibus crime bill in the 90s when she was First Lady a position with no political power but Bernie, as a member of Congress, actually had the power to enact it into law, voting in favor of it despite the fact that many of his colleagues did not.
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Those of us who are old enough to remember what it was like to live under Reagan and the Bushes remember how bad it was. How much better almost everything including the economy and job growth got under Clinton and Obama. I lived through it, and I would support half a Snapple as the Democratic nominee rather than go back to the policies of Reagan or (any) Bush.I see people swear up and down their hatred of Hillary isnt because shes a woman, or doesnt stem directly from decades of vicious, lying conservative propaganda they will swear it! and then immediately turn around and eviscerate her for something Bernie did (or is) himself, or call her a crook, or say nonsense like, She doesnt have an honest bone in her body. Conservative copywriters, whoever you are, I applaud you for your success in taking a complete and total fabrication and successfully integrating it so far into the American consciousness that there are people who agree with nearly every policy position HRC has today, yet will still claim shes dishonest. Thats some impressive chicanery, and I mean that.
................Theres not a thing wrong with choosing Bernie over Hillary, or disliking Hillarys current policy proposals. However, the out-and-out hatred were seeing from some Sanders supporters (and about which I am hardly the first person to write), bears some serious scrutiny. While the Sanders campaign has made real efforts to deal with the worst of it the Bernie Bros acting as a misogynistic mob, attacking Clinton and her supporters Gamergate style; the Bern the Witch controversy theres still far too much active hatred, and far too much of it is misogynistic or coded misogyny. Far too much of it stems from willing belief in conservative propaganda about HRC that has been debunked over and over.
I think we all expected it, but I did not expect it from our side.
Its one thing to prefer one candidate over another. Thats healthy. Thats admirable. Its another to actively HATE a candidate for doing EXACTLY the same things as the last three men you voted for, despite her liberal record.
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Lets think practically about the election in November.........
HAPPY day for Hillary and her team:
Jesse Lehrich
?@JesseLehrich
a happy candidate & campaign manager last night (after a year of tireless work from both)
#ImWithHer
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)Proud to be the first rec on this.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)cuts to Alzheimer's Research. At the time my father had been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and was hurt by this action, I also thought in later years when Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimers he may have benefited from the research on Alzheimers.
Hillary has given a statement on her comment about Nancy, the continued complaining is not going to change what has happened, it has only provided another opportunity to complain.
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)Greatest line to date in describing how important this election is and how horrible Republicans are!
Love it!
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)ffr
(22,668 posts)It almost felt like I was saying what Jesse was writing. Jesse just put it to paper better for sure! But in fact, just said nearly the exact same words in one of my prior posts today. (below italics)
Best paragraph is the middle one:
Those of us who are old enough to remember what it was like to live under Reagan and the Bushes remember how bad it was. How much better almost everything including the economy and job growth got under Clinton and Obama. I lived through it, and I would support half a Snapple as the Democratic nominee rather than go back to the policies of Reagan or (any) Bush.
brer cat
(24,556 posts)or healthy. To make up lies and ignore the many similarities between the candidates in order to hate her is delusional.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)spooky3
(34,434 posts)She notes the similarities with the Obama hatred and the reasons for it.
Bookmarking!
Walk away
(9,494 posts)I was around and working in the NYC theater community while this was all happening. I lost half of my friends in one year so I had a dog in this fight.
The Reagan administration had a miserable record on AIDS. It was heartbreaking. It was well known that Nancy Reagan was the one who managed to finally get her husbands administration to, at least, begin to deal with the crisis. It's very possible that her influence saved thousands of lives.
It was a very different world back then. Hillary has lived through a lot of history and can understand it in context. Most people understand that. It's only a problem for people suffering from HDS.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)read several years ago that it was Nancy--towards the end who finally got Ronny to see the light (a tiny bit). I had never much appreciated her (her Just say NO issue) and at the time I had to read the article a few times before I allowed myself to believe it. Do not know where the article is now. But I remember it.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)obamanut2012
(26,067 posts)k & r!