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Watching Maddow and Sanders interview. (Original Post) riversedge Mar 2016 OP
Did he actually say that? Bleacher Creature Mar 2016 #1
He certainly hinted at it. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #9
Sanders will be saying that those states that he won by large riversedge Mar 2016 #12
Yep. I caught that, too, and it seemed to worry Rachel. Basically, Sanders has said he wants to go BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #20
Yes. This is a new MAJOR situation that has just happened. Like I riversedge Mar 2016 #31
It was surely shocking to me! BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #124
None of this is surprising. He's developed a taste for it Rose Siding Mar 2016 #65
OK. Let's give him all the delegates in the states he has won. charlyvi Mar 2016 #78
Interesting idea. Let's try it. jmowreader Mar 2016 #94
Oh my, thank you for doing the math shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #111
The phrase "be careful what you wish for" springs to mind! charlyvi Mar 2016 #121
BS only has 24 supers. He's done the calculation. stopbush Mar 2016 #128
Of course he's done the calculation charlyvi Mar 2016 #129
Changing the way superdelegates vote in the middle of a primary is wrong. msrizzo Mar 2016 #149
I smell Tad Devine! charlyvi Mar 2016 #155
Then I guess Hillary should get the same, right? obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #102
It's because of the audio caught yesterday when the 'plan' was to steal not only synergie Mar 2016 #116
Didn't the Sanders campaign deny that audio, saying it was misinterpreted? BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #126
After the tweets and their antics in Iowa, I just do not buy their BS. synergie Mar 2016 #127
Neither did I, synergie. Now it appears that audio was correct and it wasn't misinterpreted. BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #147
So his logic on the nomination process matches establishment Republicans to the tee ... LannyDeVaney Mar 2016 #40
Yep. Pretty undemocratic, wouldn't you say? SunSeeker Mar 2016 #109
I've given him the proper slogan to use rock Mar 2016 #54
LOL SunSeeker Mar 2016 #108
He also ignores that the right really hasn't gone after him yet. charlyvi Mar 2016 #70
They'll get Clint Eastwood... Basic LA Mar 2016 #85
Or "Driving Saul Alinsky" eom charlyvi Mar 2016 #118
The fact that Chevy Mar 2016 #90
Of course. Hell, the right has run ads for him. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #106
that's not how it works obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #101
Bernie doesn't get how a LOT of things really work. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #104
The situation is worse, actually. Tad Devine got caught on video stating that they synergie Mar 2016 #96
More than usual? He always seems ticked off to me. One of livetohike Mar 2016 #2
Isn't that the truth. Definitely not the temperment to be the President still_one Mar 2016 #4
My 84 year old Mother asked me why he is always so angry. She says he isn't livetohike Mar 2016 #7
You have a very wise Mother, bless her heart still_one Mar 2016 #10
Mine takes one look at him and launches into a story about synergie Mar 2016 #117
He is the best of the Blame Gamers. nt DURHAM D Mar 2016 #3
Keep it up, Hillary supporters OwlinAZ Mar 2016 #5
. DURHAM D Mar 2016 #6
He's blocked. sufrommich Mar 2016 #16
there will be a post riversedge Mar 2016 #39
If MIRT doesn't get him first. George II Mar 2016 #48
Does this count? Bleacher Creature Mar 2016 #52
ha ha. It is like them having a peep hole. ha ha riversedge Mar 2016 #58
Keep dreaming wysi Mar 2016 #13
Hillary is in the process of sweeping Sanders into the dustbin of HIStory. yup riversedge Mar 2016 #42
No. It appears she's in the process of sweeping back into the Senate ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #68
yes, you are right. Yet--I was referring to his presidential run. --to the dustbin riversedge Mar 2016 #74
Nice knowing you! sheshe2 Mar 2016 #17
non sequitur eom fleabiscuit Mar 2016 #22
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #23
bye bye still_one Mar 2016 #44
We plan to keep up the Winning and that's the opposite of losing.. that's what BS is doing if Cha Mar 2016 #77
He sounded absolutely desperate. From his own mouth he threw the South R B Garr Mar 2016 #8
Did you hear him tonight?? He had an edge to him that I found riversedge Mar 2016 #15
Yes, I heard him and he did sound scary. His ego is locked in now, and he's R B Garr Mar 2016 #26
My sister in California got that quite awhile ago just from watching him on TV.. she Cha Mar 2016 #123
The fact is that unless a candidate in the general election can take one or two Southern states, you still_one Mar 2016 #35
So that's where all the BS came from Setsuna1972 Mar 2016 #145
i supported bernie in the beginning, but DesertFlower Mar 2016 #11
Good points. It's telling that he has few endorsements from his livetohike Mar 2016 #14
Yup. Congressional Dems don't like Sanders. He didn’t get a single Senate endorsement. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #24
He's not really a Democrat griffi94 Mar 2016 #56
The original "get off my lawn" old man n/t Bluestar Mar 2016 #113
Ha griffi94 Mar 2016 #115
So true. He's only so fired up now because of ego. It's his last chance to become leader livetohike Mar 2016 #132
I work in HR ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #79
Yes, "works well with others" is particularly key for a President. nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #110
I was astounded by the level of his wishful thinking...if, if, if, while painting lunamagica Mar 2016 #18
1) He is now fully invested in winning, and it's a real high. 2) He has always known.... Hekate Mar 2016 #107
The time for convincing others to support him should have started twenty five years ago when Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #19
Well, he did get two post offices named. In twenty five years. And got a lot of riders put into Squinch Mar 2016 #29
I was thinking the revolution was simply not associating with other members in Congress. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #33
I get it! Revolution like turning! Like turning his back! Squinch Mar 2016 #38
Yes, could have been the revolution. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #41
You've solved the mystery! Because for the life of me, Squinch Mar 2016 #45
Good one! livetohike Mar 2016 #133
He said Hillary was only winning in the South. Justice Mar 2016 #21
Actually, he said she only wins in the "deep" South. stopbush Mar 2016 #28
She won in VA, which is hardly southern in many regards. Ditto FL. spooky3 Mar 2016 #49
Did he really now? My my. The Obama coalition has no room for that! Rose Siding Mar 2016 #69
Funny how Scarborough never told BERNIE to smile. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #30
and Ohio was a major win for Hillary. I wonder what he will say about the Southern states of still_one Mar 2016 #46
Bernie said he has a good shot at winning California and doing well in NY He also riversedge Mar 2016 #53
The polls I have seen in New York, which is a closed primary have Hillary up +21 points, and that still_one Mar 2016 #63
Tightening in Arizona? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #86
He also said they were going to "win Nevada".. it was a headline in LBN. I take nothing Cha Mar 2016 #120
He is lying GusBob Mar 2016 #131
Don't forget Massachusetts. charlyvi Mar 2016 #80
Good thing everyone else knows Ohio and Illinois are not in the South... Hillary won Ohio Cha Mar 2016 #138
And it was Republicans and Independents that won Michigan for him. msrizzo Mar 2016 #150
That's right.. thanks for the reminder and good to see you, msrizzo! Cha Mar 2016 #152
Yeah, good to see you too. msrizzo Mar 2016 #158
Well, we now know whence flows the delusion that infects his supporters. stopbush Mar 2016 #25
It is telling that even if Democrats don't elect him as their nominee. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #27
It was all so freaky as I listened. I wanted to shake myself to riversedge Mar 2016 #34
He ignores the fact that Hillary has won millions more votes than him. stopbush Mar 2016 #36
Sanders and his campaign has not forgotten Sanders has more votes than Trump, interesting Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #148
You nailed it! pandr32 Mar 2016 #60
He is not a Democrat. Plain and simple. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #32
Secretary Clinton's Response: Treant Mar 2016 #37
Ha! spooky3 Mar 2016 #51
He looked pissed off and tired gwheezie Mar 2016 #43
Actually Bernie is the most even tempered person you will ever meet. still_one Mar 2016 #47
Ha-ha! You had me there for a sec! pandr32 Mar 2016 #61
Thanks still_one Mar 2016 #64
Note the flags all around him. NEW image for him and haircut and riversedge Mar 2016 #57
You have a point gwheezie Mar 2016 #59
I think that's his natural complexion jmowreader Mar 2016 #105
It seems he is the one who feels entitled to the nomination and presidency pandr32 Mar 2016 #50
Good points. Actually the Dem VOTERS are the ones spooky3 Mar 2016 #55
I agree! pandr32 Mar 2016 #75
Thanks. I'm starting to understand why he received spooky3 Mar 2016 #84
oh, yes--he certainly came off that way tonight riversedge Mar 2016 #76
Yes that is a pretty breathtaking description of BS entitlement Hekate Mar 2016 #112
Thank you! pandr32 Mar 2016 #154
This message was self-deleted by its author Her Sister Mar 2016 #62
It is a closed primary so cross over votes are not a factor still_one Mar 2016 #66
deleted video. something wrong in the middle Her Sister Mar 2016 #81
no problem still_one Mar 2016 #83
He's the democratic party's Drumpf KewlKat Mar 2016 #67
Bernies theme song? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #71
I think "You're So Vain" charlyvi Mar 2016 #119
#Bernie's main argument now is electability and superdelegates? After #Hillary was slammed for that? riversedge Mar 2016 #72
He's a sore loser DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #73
I wouldn't say that ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #87
+1! BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #88
Shhh ... That guilt by association thing. eom 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #91
I am proud to stand with you. BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #92
a competitor DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #89
I'm not aware of the Kunin thing. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #93
a couple links DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #97
OMG Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #122
yuck! Her Sister Mar 2016 #137
Desperate times. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #82
How could you tell? He always "seems ticked off" about something. n/t Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #95
He is done in the Senate if he does that obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #98
So, finally decided to watch it DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #99
Yes, that is what BS actually said about the SCOTUS nominee. You want magical thinking? Hekate Mar 2016 #114
CA,OR, WA and NY--he says he can win. oink! riversedge Mar 2016 #100
He's holding out for California and Oregon as being progressive states, he says... Hekate Mar 2016 #103
Thank you all! NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #125
^^^ THIS ^^^ Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #130
I've been in that mode since the first debate. I mute the TV livetohike Mar 2016 #134
I made myself watch DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #135
"Let me say this..." NurseJackie Mar 2016 #136
Somebody should tell Bernie that you can't pull a Trump when you are losing.... Walk away Mar 2016 #139
Maddow did actually say the word... riversedge Mar 2016 #142
He can disrupt the convention but it won't be brokered.... msrizzo Mar 2016 #151
The thing to remember.. NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #156
Where do you think his campaign would be now if he had DURHAM D Mar 2016 #140
I find it extremely odd that he spends little time addressing these folks' behavior. Quayblue Mar 2016 #157
msnbc is Replaying this part of the interview. --> Discussion of riversedge Mar 2016 #141
I'm waiting for Bernie to threaten riots at the convention! Walk away Mar 2016 #143
So, now he's relying on those superdelegates who should not be involved in choosing the nominee..... George II Mar 2016 #144
His big point are the polls Her Sister Mar 2016 #146
After watching (listening) katmille Mar 2016 #153

Bleacher Creature

(11,235 posts)
1. Did he actually say that?
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

The same superdelegates he was railing against last month?

This would be hilarious if there weren't any actual consequences.

SunSeeker

(51,369 posts)
9. He certainly hinted at it.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

He basically said the nominee should be picked based on who is more likely to defeat Trump. And, of course, he thinks he does better than Hillary against Trump--citing hypothetical polls. He ignores that Hillary also crushes Trump in those polls.

riversedge

(69,722 posts)
12. Sanders will be saying that those states that he won by large
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:52 PM
Mar 2016

spreads--NH--. He thinks those supers should go for him--he will argue that it is the will of people in these cases.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
20. Yep. I caught that, too, and it seemed to worry Rachel. Basically, Sanders has said he wants to go
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:58 PM
Mar 2016

Philadelphia, to the Democratic Convention, to contest super delegates even IF he's behind. He doesn't appear to want to concede no matter not. He wants to get the super-dels of the States he's won (even the ones where they had caucuses, rather than actual primaries). He believes he's owed them.

Either he's just saying it to keep the fund-raising gravy train going, or he's angry and means it.

riversedge

(69,722 posts)
31. Yes. This is a new MAJOR situation that has just happened. Like I
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

said in another post--he seems extra irritated tonight. IMHO Thanks for filling in important information.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
124. It was surely shocking to me!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:06 AM
Mar 2016

And yes, I agree, he appeared extra agitate tonight. I guess he didn't like the news that people have said that Obama told donors behind closed doors that it's time to unite behind Hillary Clinton. That seemed to really piss him off.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
65. None of this is surprising. He's developed a taste for it
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:50 PM
Mar 2016

Now he was that despised establishment to belong to him. It is the way of most revolutions. Revolting in all meanings of the word.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
78. OK. Let's give him all the delegates in the states he has won.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:03 PM
Mar 2016

And let's give Hillary ALL the delegates in the states she has won. How does he think this helps him?

jmowreader

(50,451 posts)
94. Interesting idea. Let's try it.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:06 AM
Mar 2016

Under the current rules, including superdelegates Hillary has 1606 and Sanders 851.

If it was winner-take-all across the board, Hillary would have 1792 and Sanders 517.

stopbush

(24,378 posts)
128. BS only has 24 supers. He's done the calculation.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:57 AM
Mar 2016

He would end up with more supers based on the states he's won than he has now. Hillary would lose supers that she already has. That's why he's framing his argument the way he is.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
129. Of course he's done the calculation
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:14 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:07 PM - Edit history (1)

But he won't get enough SDs to flip over to him if he's behind in pledged delegates. Not within the Dem apparatus when he's only been one for 10 months against a woman who has worked within the party for 40 years. If he manages to tie or exceed the number of PDs Clinton has that's a different ballgame, but the odds of that happening are slim to none.

msrizzo

(796 posts)
149. Changing the way superdelegates vote in the middle of a primary is wrong.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:38 AM
Mar 2016

If he makes a big stink about it I would prefer eliminating the superdelegates all together (they are supposed to be untethered to the state vote, after all) instead of just duplicating what already happened in the primary and forcing party leaders to vote against their will. If they eliminate them and make the number needed for nomination the same percentage as it was with superdelegates, Hillary would still win. I don't know why he wants to make this so personal to elected party officials. It's like he is declaring war on them and then wanting to be their leader. That's called conquest not consensus.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
155. I smell Tad Devine!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:10 PM
Mar 2016

But I'm not absolving Bernie at all. If Bernie's campaign does it, then Bernie does it.

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
102. Then I guess Hillary should get the same, right?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:22 AM
Mar 2016

She gets all the delegates of all the states and caucuses she's won, right?

Seriously, wtf. this is actually enraging me.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
116. It's because of the audio caught yesterday when the 'plan' was to steal not only
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:09 AM
Mar 2016

superdelegates but PLEDGED ones as well. Basically saying screw you to all who voted and all that Clinton has won. They were planning on the MILLIONS from the revolution to get that popular vote, but failed to achieve those turnouts he still keeps talking about.


http://crooksandliars.com/2016/03/sanders-camp-lays-out-strategy-remaining

Or he could just be being fleeced by Tad Devine. He FAR outspent Clinton in every state he lost on Tuesday.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
126. Didn't the Sanders campaign deny that audio, saying it was misinterpreted?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:23 AM
Mar 2016

It feels as if the Sanders campaign is coming apart at the seams.

Bernie himself appeared really agitated this evening on Rachel's show.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
127. After the tweets and their antics in Iowa, I just do not buy their BS.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:26 AM
Mar 2016

Has anyone bothered to ask what happened with the FEC filings? I saw sonething about "real people" of something? What is that supposed to mean?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
147. Neither did I, synergie. Now it appears that audio was correct and it wasn't misinterpreted.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:11 AM
Mar 2016

About the FEC: they demanded a response last night (March 17, 2016) and the letter stated, in bold, that they will not get another extension.

You can read about those troubling donations and even more troubling book keeping of the Sanders campaign at The People's View. That piece also contains links to the two letters notifying Bernie2016 of their shoddy book keeping. I mean, donors are exceeding the FEC limits by thousands of dollars and there are 665 donations coming from international addresses that haven't proven to be U.S. citizens!

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
40. So his logic on the nomination process matches establishment Republicans to the tee ...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:14 PM
Mar 2016

interesting. Talk about a flip-flop!

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
70. He also ignores that the right really hasn't gone after him yet.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:56 PM
Mar 2016

I'd like to see his poll numbers after going through what Hillary has gone through with them! They would rather run against him, though, so they they've barely touched him.

 

Chevy

(1,063 posts)
90. The fact that
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

he has never run a national campaign till now lets see how his 20 point lead drops when the Republican slime machine fires up and unloads everything including the kitchen sink at him(Or has the Clinton's call that any given Monday) More curious how his supporters would handle such a onslaught on their candidate considering what we have seen so far from them.

SunSeeker

(51,369 posts)
106. Of course. Hell, the right has run ads for him.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:39 AM
Mar 2016

Not only have they not touched him, they've been helping him! They desperately want to run against him, not Hillary.

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
101. that's not how it works
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary has more votes and more PDs and more SDs. he has Vermont and the GOP shivering in joy over attack ads.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
96. The situation is worse, actually. Tad Devine got caught on video stating that they
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:11 AM
Mar 2016

were planning on harassing the pledged delegates. He's lying his butt off about it today, but the video and a transcript prove it, as does that nastiness in Iowa. They had apparently pre-programmed some paranoia into the ones they actually won, and were doing their best to steal more.

livetohike

(22,084 posts)
2. More than usual? He always seems ticked off to me. One of
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:41 PM
Mar 2016

the many reasons I can't envision him as a President. He doesn't like to be challenged. I guess Rachel is getting to him.

livetohike

(22,084 posts)
7. My 84 year old Mother asked me why he is always so angry. She says he isn't
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

Presidential material. 😊

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
117. Mine takes one look at him and launches into a story about
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:13 AM
Mar 2016

an old man with constipation who would get all crotchety waiting for an enema in the ER she had to deal with a few times. And she keeps asking if his wife is involved in farming or with horses or something. Apparently they remind her of poor white people in rural areas who came in to the ER that she covered on the weekends when I was growing up.

She thinks there is something very shifty about both of them, but she also loves Hillary, so she might be a bit biased.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
68. No. It appears she's in the process of sweeping back into the Senate ...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:54 PM
Mar 2016

where he can be singularly focused.

Response to OwlinAZ (Reply #5)

Cha

(295,912 posts)
77. We plan to keep up the Winning and that's the opposite of losing.. that's what BS is doing if
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:02 PM
Mar 2016

you haven't noticed.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
8. He sounded absolutely desperate. From his own mouth he threw the South
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

under the bus, so it's no wonder where his supporters get their discriminatory attitudes.

riversedge

(69,722 posts)
15. Did you hear him tonight?? He had an edge to him that I found
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:54 PM
Mar 2016

a bit scary ===for lack of other words at the moment.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
26. Yes, I heard him and he did sound scary. His ego is locked in now, and he's
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:07 PM
Mar 2016

proving to be quite self-centered and divisive. Now the super delegates are okay if they go his way, but for Hillary, it's attack, attack, attack. He acts like people can't see and understand his duplicity.

Cha

(295,912 posts)
123. My sister in California got that quite awhile ago just from watching him on TV.. she
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:56 AM
Mar 2016

doesn't do online politics.

I told her she was dead on in my opinion.

How the hell are the super dels going to want someone who's losing and acts like that. They're smart.. they know they want anyone like that for POTUS.

still_one

(91,962 posts)
35. The fact is that unless a candidate in the general election can take one or two Southern states, you
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:12 PM
Mar 2016

cannot win the general election.

That is why President Obama won, and the same reason that Hillary will win.

In regard to your second statement you are absolutely right about discriminatory attitudes.


Setsuna1972

(332 posts)
145. So that's where all the BS came from
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:58 AM
Mar 2016

Right out of Bernie's mouth to the Berniebots to repeat and insult people in the south. Actually had one tell me that Hillary only won the Confederacy on Twitter !

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
11. i supported bernie in the beginning, but
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:51 PM
Mar 2016

watching the debates about a month ago i changed to hillary. i realized if he was elected there's no way congress would work with him. they wouldn't work with obama who has a much nicer personality. he couldn't get an infrastructure bill passed. he barely got ACA passed. why would they work with bernie whose constantly saying they're bought?

livetohike

(22,084 posts)
14. Good points. It's telling that he has few endorsements from his
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:54 PM
Mar 2016

colleagues. They don't think he's the best candidate. He's so self righteous, they probably don't like to work with him.

SunSeeker

(51,369 posts)
24. Yup. Congressional Dems don't like Sanders. He didn’t get a single Senate endorsement.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

If he can't even get Congressional Dems to rally around him, how's he going to get Republicans?

griffi94

(3,731 posts)
56. He's not really a Democrat
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:32 PM
Mar 2016

He's from a very small, very white, very liberal state. He's never had to
work with anybody.
Bernie is more of a social critic than anything else. It's easy to agree with
his issues but he'll never get any of them passed.
He's been in the senate for years and never worked on the coalitions and relationships
needed to run for POTUS.

It's the same reason he bombs with minorities. I know he marched with Dr. King but what's he done in the last
40+ years besides sit in Vermont and point out how both parties suck.

He was in a position to lead his revolution at any time. Why doesn't he start in the senate.
At this point he's not much more than a commentator who will be happy to lead but only
if he can start at the top.

Bluestar

(1,400 posts)
113. The original "get off my lawn" old man n/t
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:56 AM
Mar 2016

Have not heard one concrete proposal from him yet. Just the same old stump speech over and over again. I wonder who is going to do all work and come up with the ideas? Gee, I really like this group!

griffi94

(3,731 posts)
115. Ha
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:04 AM
Mar 2016

I find him cranky as well.
I think what a lot of his supporters hear is free tuition
and better paying jobs and single payer healthcare for all.

I'm for all of those things as well. I just don't believe him when
he says he can deliver them.

livetohike

(22,084 posts)
132. So true. He's only so fired up now because of ego. It's his last chance to become leader
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:56 AM
Mar 2016

of the free world. Although if he lives long enough, he may primary Hillary in 2020 when he is 79 years old.

I think he is looking at this as his last gasp to get his ideology out there and is finding few takers. His big rallies aren't creating converts that vote.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
79. I work in HR ...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:06 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:17 AM - Edit history (1)

My experience indicates the best (most accurate) references come from a candidate's peers. A candidate can look great on paper, have superior supervisory reviews, be technically off the charts, and motivated/enthusiastic as all get out ... but if his/her peers report can't work with his/her, the candidate is a poor fit.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
18. I was astounded by the level of his wishful thinking...if, if, if, while painting
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:56 PM
Mar 2016

the most fantastic scenarios.

I can't tell if he is that disingenuous, or that delusional.

What I took away from that interview is that he wants to win the nomination no matter what it takes...even if it going against the will of the majority of the voters.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
107. 1) He is now fully invested in winning, and it's a real high. 2) He has always known....
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:40 AM
Mar 2016

.... what's good for other people, much better than they know themselves.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
19. The time for convincing others to support him should have started twenty five years ago when
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

he arrived in Congress. If his revolution is not working with other members of Congress the his revolution did not serve him very well.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
29. Well, he did get two post offices named. In twenty five years. And got a lot of riders put into
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

bills that said people shouldn't do things that were already illegal.

Don't know why you can't see the revolution in that. You probably just don't understand his greatness.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
45. You've solved the mystery! Because for the life of me,
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:17 PM
Mar 2016

I couldn't figure out why he's been filing his nails in Congress all these years if what he wanted was a revolution.

Justice

(7,182 posts)
21. He said Hillary was only winning in the South.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:59 PM
Mar 2016


Then said winning in Michigan same as winning Illinois and Ohio without mentioning they are not in the south.

He always comes across angry about issues but tonight he was just angry. Not pleasant.

He looked very good but was a little too close to the camera.

spooky3

(34,302 posts)
49. She won in VA, which is hardly southern in many regards. Ditto FL.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:25 PM
Mar 2016

It's unbelievable that he said that. Can't wait to hear how he tries to dismiss CA and NY when she wins there too.

SunSeeker

(51,369 posts)
30. Funny how Scarborough never told BERNIE to smile.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

But Scarborough had no qualms pontificating about how Hillary needs to smile more--even though she's not the grumpy one!!

still_one

(91,962 posts)
46. and Ohio was a major win for Hillary. I wonder what he will say about the Southern states of
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:20 PM
Mar 2016

New York and Penn

It seems that Sanders has the same temperment as John Mccain, oh my

riversedge

(69,722 posts)
53. Bernie said he has a good shot at winning California and doing well in NY He also
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:29 PM
Mar 2016

said that their polls show a tighter race in AZ.

still_one

(91,962 posts)
63. The polls I have seen in New York, which is a closed primary have Hillary up +21 points, and that
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:48 PM
Mar 2016

was from March 3. The latest Arizona poll from March 7 has Hillary up +26, and Pennsylvania from March 2 has Hillary up +30

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_democratic_presidential_primary-4221.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/az/arizona_democratic_presidential_primary-5466.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary-4249.html

While it is good to be skeptical about the polls, New York and Pennsylvania are closed primaries, so only Democrats can vote in the Democratic primary.

California is semi-closed, which means if they register as an independent, 1 month before the election they must request a Democratic or republican ballot. They cannot mix and match. There are no recent polls for California, but the odds our the nominee will have been determined by then.

Sanders also said he had a good shot in Ohio and North Carolina. We will see

Cha

(295,912 posts)
120. He also said they were going to "win Nevada".. it was a headline in LBN. I take nothing
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:53 AM
Mar 2016

he says of value.

Cha

(295,912 posts)
138. Good thing everyone else knows Ohio and Illinois are not in the South... Hillary won Ohio
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:39 AM
Mar 2016

by 16 points and lost Michigan by 2.

Bernie's losing.

msrizzo

(796 posts)
150. And it was Republicans and Independents that won Michigan for him.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:45 AM
Mar 2016

I refuse to let them pick our nominee.

stopbush

(24,378 posts)
25. Well, we now know whence flows the delusion that infects his supporters.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

He will never get Hillary's super delegates to flip. She has 464. He has, what, 24?

He obviously has NO support among the party regulars who are the supers. They're with Hillary. It's delusional to believe those hundreds of super delegates will change their allegiance to an Independent posing as a D.

Bernie's rational: "Hillary easily beats Trump in the polls, but I beat him even moreso" is not compelling.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
27. It is telling that even if Democrats don't elect him as their nominee.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

He intends to try to game the system and force get the nomination without having won it.

I've seen people making those same accusations of Clinton.

The more I learn about him, the less I like him.

riversedge

(69,722 posts)
34. It was all so freaky as I listened. I wanted to shake myself to
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

make sure I was awake and hearing correctly.

stopbush

(24,378 posts)
36. He ignores the fact that Hillary has won millions more votes than him.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:12 PM
Mar 2016

He says he's won more under-30 votes than Hill & Trump together. "That's the future of the D party" sez BS. So, we can see his narrative developing: he's getting killed in every metric that matters, so we'll redefine and narrow the focus until we find a statistic that makes BS look better than Hill.

His grand plan is to flip the super delegates because he polls better among people wearing beanies while eating couscous than does Hillary.

Childish, obvious and ridiculous.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
148. Sanders and his campaign has not forgotten Sanders has more votes than Trump, interesting
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:30 AM
Mar 2016

apparently the thought is he has more votes than Trump so he could beat Trump. As you say Hillary has more votes, guess this must make her a winner.

pandr32

(11,447 posts)
60. You nailed it!
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:40 PM
Mar 2016

He is trying to game the system, and he will try to hype up his supporters to help him force the DNC to see things his way. Meanwhile the dollars will still flow to him instead of donors paying off their college loans with it. Jane can continue to get commissions on ad buys!

riversedge

(69,722 posts)
57. Note the flags all around him. NEW image for him and haircut and
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:32 PM
Mar 2016

actually looked like a new suit-well pressed. I wonder if this is the new look???

jmowreader

(50,451 posts)
105. I think that's his natural complexion
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:38 AM
Mar 2016

The hardest job in this entire campaign so far must be Bernie's makeup artist. I assure you it is a living bitch to tone down Bernie-level flushing on a male, because you have to use a LOT of product and you don't want it to look like you're using any. That, and his preferred hairstyle is the very unpresidential "bed head all the time" that they're going to have to talk him out of if he manages to make it past the primaries.

pandr32

(11,447 posts)
50. It seems he is the one who feels entitled to the nomination and presidency
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:26 PM
Mar 2016

He started the campaign by trying to paint Hillary Clinton and her supporters as perceiving that she was entitled.

Hillary's hard campaign work, the endless debates and Town Halls that showcased her qualifications, the groups and people she has met with and the endorsements she has earned, the detailed plans she has worked out and put forward, the constant right-wing smears she has had to wipe off--thanks to Sanders this time, and the Congressional coalition she has put together because of all of the qualifications and experience she has from working so hard for so long, and the fact that she has been a Democrat who has worked hard to help other Democrats---all be damned!

Sanders wants it!

Because the rhetoric he has spewed for decades finally sounded new to a group of predominantly young white people who don't seem to care that the actual factual details don't jive with the talking points, because he has been living in the same rut in a small state with little to challenge him, because he has been a career politician for decades with little to show for it, because he thought he could suddenly declare himself a Democrat and run against a woman who has been hammered by the GOP and grab the nomination for himself, because he finally feels like a leader of a revolution even though it is largely in his mind, and because he has let his ego get ahead of any good sense he may have had at some point--he thinks he is the one who should be given the nomination in the end...
...even if Hillary Clinton already earned it the traditional and proper way.

Wow! Just wow!

spooky3

(34,302 posts)
55. Good points. Actually the Dem VOTERS are the ones
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:31 PM
Mar 2016

Who feel entitled. Entitled to choose the candidate we prefer.

I get really sick of hearing about Clinton's alleged sense of entitlement, "coronation", etc. I consider it part of the sexist reaction to her given there is NO evidence that she expected to sidestep the hard slog of campaigning, fund raising, etc.

pandr32

(11,447 posts)
75. I agree!
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:01 PM
Mar 2016

You make a couple great points yourself!
Sanders set out to paint Hillary Clinton as corrupt and entitled from the beginning, even without any evidence--it makes me sick, too.

spooky3

(34,302 posts)
84. Thanks. I'm starting to understand why he received
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:33 PM
Mar 2016

So few endorsements from colleagues.

I wonder what we will hear when he picks up a few delegates in Idaho, Utah, etc.

Response to riversedge (Original post)

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
67. He's the democratic party's Drumpf
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:52 PM
Mar 2016

He wants a brokered convention.....blah blah blah....same as drumpf....only if BS is behind, doesn't matter, he has a better chance at beating drumpf and therefore deserves and should get the nomination. I'm recording the show in a bit so I can capture some of his dilusional statements....I couldn't believe what I was hearing! We have a pair, bookends.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/bernie-sanders-touts-strength-on-trade-647053891730

interview tonight on maddow's show.

riversedge

(69,722 posts)
72. #Bernie's main argument now is electability and superdelegates? After #Hillary was slammed for that?
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:59 PM
Mar 2016

Peter is right. Bernie will be arguing he is better able to defeat Trump. Yes, he did emphasis that during the interview.


Peter Daou ?@peterdaou 2h2 hours ago

Does anyone else find it ironic that #Bernie's main argument now is electability and superdelegates? After #Hillary was slammed for that?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
87. I wouldn't say that ...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:45 PM
Mar 2016

I would call him a competitor, who is realizing his history bucking the Democratic Party puts him at a disadvantage and feeling no obligation to respect Democratic rules or convention.

BlueMTexpat

(15,349 posts)
88. +1!
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:53 PM
Mar 2016

Great to see you back, 1SBM! I enjoyed your PMs in the interim!

Hopefully, never again will you be held hostage by those who wish to censor your speech!

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
89. a competitor
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:57 PM
Mar 2016

who fights dirty. Look at what he did to Kunin when he ran against her for governor of Vermont. He has a HISTORY of this.

By the way, glad to see you back!

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
99. So, finally decided to watch it
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:18 AM
Mar 2016

my stomach hurts. ugh. He actually said he would want PBO to recuse his nomination for SCOTUS, if he won the nomination. That's ridiculous. It is the SITTING President's job to nominate for the vacancy. It is the SENATE's job to vote on the nominee. IT DOESN'T MATTER what happens in November. This has to be addressed now. PBO is president until January 2017.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
114. Yes, that is what BS actually said about the SCOTUS nominee. You want magical thinking?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:01 AM
Mar 2016

You want unicorns farting rainbows? Any doubt I ever had about where Bernie's more woo-woo supporters get their fantasies just finished evaporating.

My gods -- he would want Obama to withdraw a perfectly good nominee just so he, BS, could enact his personal fantasy of nominating the flamingest liberal in the entire country. IF he becomes POTUS. And, true to form, he believes this is a chance worth taking because why? Because Congress will magically bow to his every whim once he becomes POTUS.

Sure. Just like they did for Barack Obama.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
103. He's holding out for California and Oregon as being progressive states, he says...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:27 AM
Mar 2016

Man, he's really holding on. Which is admirable, but is going to make for a problematic Convention. All that sneering from Sanders' supporters about a Hillary "coronation" was always bullshit, but this is stretching it more than I thought.

Okay, that's two Conventions that are about to be overrun by insurgents -- the GOP and ours. I hope the heck we can line up the downballot races for Democratic candidates so at least SOME of the people's business can get done regardless of who wins.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
125. Thank you all!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:19 AM
Mar 2016

You watched Bernie so I don't have to! Lately I can't stand to look at him, let alone hear him.

livetohike

(22,084 posts)
134. I've been in that mode since the first debate. I mute the TV
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:25 AM
Mar 2016

when he is on and I can't stand to look at him. His body language and angry, contorted face are disturbing.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
135. I made myself watch
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:27 AM
Mar 2016

Believe me, I didn't want to. That's why I skipped the original broadcast. He makes me ill.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
139. Somebody should tell Bernie that you can't pull a Trump when you are losing....
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:09 AM
Mar 2016

by a huge margin! If he keeps this up he will solidify his cult like base but hemorrhage most of his support from Progressive Democrats. All that work trying to turn Democrats into Socialists will probably go down the drain. He will look more and more like a failed Donald Trump.

riversedge

(69,722 posts)
142. Maddow did actually say the word...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:26 AM
Mar 2016

-a brokered convention for the Democrats after the interview was over. She was musing on what was said. She did sound a bit surprised that Bernie is so forcefully saying this about the super delegates.

msrizzo

(796 posts)
151. He can disrupt the convention but it won't be brokered....
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:49 AM
Mar 2016

How can it be if Hillary will have the delegates to win? What is he going to do? Sue and make them cancel the convention? Is he trying to make himself the enemy of the Democratic Party? Maybe he will try to get his case heard by that whacko judge that keeps moving Larry Klayman's ridiculous Judicial Watch lawsuits forward.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
156. The thing to remember..
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 02:15 PM
Mar 2016

is that he doesn't care about the Democratic Party, or, for that matter, the country or his own supporters. He cares about himself. I don't think he initially expected to come this far, but now that he has he wants it ALL. Doesn't matter if it leaves a scorched earth, it's all about him.

DURHAM D

(32,595 posts)
140. Where do you think his campaign would be now if he had
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:16 AM
Mar 2016

spent the past year yelling about the Teaparty instead of Hillary and the establishment?

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
157. I find it extremely odd that he spends little time addressing these folks' behavior.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 03:05 PM
Mar 2016

and it makes me very suspicious of him.

riversedge

(69,722 posts)
141. msnbc is Replaying this part of the interview. --> Discussion of
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:23 AM
Mar 2016

actual path to the nomination is the wooing over--the demand for super delegates--to vote for him -esp. in states that have--or might have a high voter count for him.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
143. I'm waiting for Bernie to threaten riots at the convention!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:33 AM
Mar 2016

He has already threatened Super Delegates with his Berniecult followers in their own states. He seems to be taking his cues from Trump and Fidel Castro! Why am I not surprised???

George II

(67,782 posts)
144. So, now he's relying on those superdelegates who should not be involved in choosing the nominee.....
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:34 AM
Mar 2016

....to choose the nominee?

And just who is "Camp Weathervane"?

By the way, he seems ticked off ALL the time.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
146. His big point are the polls
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:07 AM
Mar 2016

polls polls polls (Which are total proof that he'd win against Trump!) He really loves them polls.

This is what he is going to use to try to convince delegates!! WTF

No matter that more people are voting for HRC!
We are voting. It shows who we want to represent us in the Democrat's side.

katmille

(213 posts)
153. After watching (listening)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 12:09 PM
Mar 2016

To parts of the Bernie interview and seeing tweets from some of his supporters, I'm no so sure I could vote for him IF he were to be the nominee. I've voted in every election since 1960, and almost all the local ones -- school boards, county commissioners, mayor and council members -- so I know in my heart that I would not sit out the 2016 election. But, damn! What a mess it would be if Bernie Sanders (I-VT) represents the Democratic Party.

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