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Chevron Will Lose Ecuador Pollution Case on Both Law and Facts
Posted: 10/22/2014 1:04 pm EDT Updated: 10/22/2014 1:59 pm EDT
Prediction: Chevron will lose the historic Ecuador pollution case on both the law and the facts, despite what you may have read in articles by U.S. legal reporters about the 20-year plus lawsuit.
In fact, you may think the Ecuadorians have lost already. They haven't.
If you care about the plight of indigenous people everywhere, you should consider another set of facts you haven't heard much about, at least in the U.S., and then make your own prediction.
Earlier this year, New York Judge Lewis Kaplan ruled the $9 billion Ecuador judgment against Chevron was fraudulent and not "collectible" anywhere in the world. In 2012, Judge Kaplan ruled it was not "enforceable" but the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals quickly reversed him sending Chevron's lawyer Randy Mastro backed to the command center at his law firm Gibson Dunn, where job number one is to protect multi-national companies taking advantage of weak judiciaries and governments in poverty-stricken areas often populated by indigenous groups.
More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-hinton/chevron-will-lose-ecuador_b_6023142.html
Warpy
(111,245 posts)It would have cost them far less in the long run.
Ecuador wasn't nearly as weak as they thought it was.
Paolo123
(297 posts)They didn't because of arrogance. They figured, "why pay what we owe when we can pay 3 or 4 million in the form of legal expenses and bribes"
Chevron now whines about the judgement being way to high. They are probably right about that, but that's what they get for trying to pay nothing. No sympathy from me.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...and like the lying liars of many transglobal corporate monsters and their gangs of lying liar attorneys.
My rule of thumb for Bushwhacks is this: Whatever they say, the opposite is true; and, whatever they accuse others of doing, they are doing, or planning to do.
Very reliable 'rule of thumb' during the Bush Junta. With it, you could discover what was true and what was not, and what they were up to, long before investigators could assemble evidence of their lies or evil-doing. Just reverse anything they say, and you can pretty much know the truth, or what they REALLY were doing or planning to do.
Ergo, we can pretty much know that Chevron ROUTINELY writes judges' rulings for them, and ROUTINELY bribes judges. We know it from Part 2 of my 'rule of thumb': Whatever they accuse others of doing, they are doing or planning to do.
This elaborate Chevron scam of accusing indigenous Ecuadorans of controlling and bribing a judge and writing his judgement for him is EXACTLY what Chevron and its lawyer gangs DO.
It isn't journalism and it isn't very scientific to apply such an a priori rule to news reports of what is going on in the world, but it IS quite handy--and reliable--in generally understanding what is going on in the world, especially the behavior of our corporate overlords--whether it be war, or grand theft, or slaughtering peasant labor organizers, or avoiding culpability for poisoning us and killing Mother Earth. The rule can be a guide to investigators and it is a huge help in dealing with the non-stop lying liar corporate propaganda we get from the corporate 'news' monopolies.
Case in point (of the latter): This Ecuador case. It has been very difficult to know what is really going with this case because of the obscurantism and routine lying lies of the corporate media. I've also noticed that, with the Giants baseball team's success in the recent playoff's (I'm a fan), our own people are bombarded with the most disgusting, smarmy, propagandistic, literally brainwashing Chevron commercials, so that people who don't think--or people at their most vulnerable, in an 'entertainment' frame of mind--have this sickening-sweet image of Chevron planted in their brains, and if they hear about these terrorist indigenous in Ecuador picking on poor Chevron, they are inclined to view it Chevron's way. How could such a nice corporation by lying? With the National Corporate Anthem and 'God Bless Corporate America' ringing in their ears, and the 'wild card' Giants in the World Series against the 'wild card' Kansas City Royals, how can they think that the SPONSOR of such fun are the sneakiest dirty dealers imaginable, as bad as the oilmen of the Bush Junta?
So, some 'a priori' is definitely needed, to figure things out.
Whatever they say, the opposite is true; and, whatever they accuse others of doing, they are doing, or planning to do.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Greedy, arrogant, bullies. I hope it costs them a fortune. And good for Ecuador for showing these thugs that they are a sovereign nation no longer under the thumb of the Western Imperialists.