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Judi Lynn

(160,452 posts)
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 12:34 AM Mar 2018

Overthrow: 100 Years of U.S. Meddling and Regime Change, From Iran to Nicaragua to Hawaii to Cuba

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Overthrow: 100 Years of U.S. Meddling and Regime Change, From Iran to Nicaragua to Hawaii to Cuba
America committed a variety of human rights abuses, all under cover of "spreading democracy."
By Amy Goodman, Juan González / Democracy Now! March 13, 2018, 10:19 AM GMT

As special counsel Robert Mueller continues his probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, we take a look back at Washington’s record of meddling in elections across the globe. By one count, the United States has interfered in more than 80 foreign elections between 1946 and 2000. And that doesn’t count U.S.-backed coups and invasions. We speak to former New York Times reporter Stephen Kinzer, author of “Overthrow: America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq.”

Video and transcript at link:
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/100-years-us-meddling-regime-change

Editorials and other articles:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016203182

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Overthrow: 100 Years of U.S. Meddling and Regime Change, From Iran to Nicaragua to Hawaii to Cuba (Original Post) Judi Lynn Mar 2018 OP
What about Whataboutism? emulatorloo Mar 2018 #1
Word of advice Zorro Mar 2018 #3
How much of that happened after the Cold War? DetlefK Mar 2018 #2

emulatorloo

(44,072 posts)
1. What about Whataboutism?
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 01:44 AM
Mar 2018
What About "Whataboutism?"
If everyone is guilty of something, is no one guilty of anything?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning

Some of the terms we use to describe political rhetoric are as old as politics itself (see ad hominem attacks, or such devices as synecdoche, metonymy, or zeugma). Others are more recent additions, driven by the evolution of the news cycle (like fake news and dog whistles).

But hey, aren’t we ignoring a bigger subject here? How can we talk about rhetorical devices and not mention whataboutism?

Essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse

Whataboutism gives a clue to its meaning in its name. It is not merely the changing of a subject ("What about the economy?" ) to deflect away from an earlier subject as a political strategy; it’s essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.

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The association of whataboutism with the Soviet Union began during the Cold War. As the regimes of Josef Stalin and his successors were criticized by the West for human rights atrocities, the Soviet propaganda machine would be ready with a comeback alleging atrocities of equal reprehensibility for which the West was guilty.

The weaknesses of whataboutism—which dictates that no one must get away with an attack on the Kremlin's abuses without tossing a few bricks at South Africa, no one must indict the Cuban police State without castigating President Park, no one must mention Irak, Libya or the PLO without having a bash at Israel, &c. – have been canvassed in this column before.
—Michael Bernard, The Age (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia), 17 Jun. 1978


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Before the 2016 presidential election, more instances of whataboutism applied to criticism among regimes than between individual politicians:

<snip>

Since the Cold War, Moscow has engaged in a political points-scoring exercise known as "whataboutism" used to shut down criticism of Russia's own rights record by pointing out abuses elsewhere. All criticism of Russia is invalid, the idea goes, because problems exist in other countries too.
—Max Seddon, Buzzfeed, 25 Nov. 2014


<snip>

The term is seeing a bit of a renaissance in our current political climate. Philip Bump writes in The Washington Post that President Donald Trump has utilized whataboutism frequently as a way of deflecting criticism for his actions, such as his pardon of former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio.

<snip>

Time will tell if whataboutism can persuade its way into the language, but its recent upswing in usage suggests it may have staying power. At least until someone changes the subject.

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Much more at link.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. How much of that happened after the Cold War?
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 09:23 AM
Mar 2018

When the US bombed Serbia to stop the ethnic cleansings and mass-murders, was that regime-change?

When the US bombed Afghanistan to dig out Al-Qaeda, was that regime-change?

When the US bombed Libya after Gaddafi's son had bragged on TV that they will slaughter the rebels, was that regime-change?

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