Why don't science geeks have groupies, yet football players do?

[Major Nikon]

Anyone else ever wondered about this?

If the whole idea of objectification is we are supposed to appreciate people for their minds instead of their bodies, where does this happen for either gender?

[nomorenomore08]

1. Because science geeks generally don't make millions of dollars, so don't attract the kind of shallow

idiots that pro athletes, rock stars, etc. tend to?

[Major Nikon]

3. Seems reasonable

For the most part intelligent men who are valued by women seem to be those with a high income earning potential like doctors and lawyers.

The idea behind feminists making light of objectification seems to be based on the idea that men are shallow and value women only for being sex objects, yet I really don't see much evidence that women are categorically any less shallow. At least valuing someone for their looks is valuing part of their humanity. Valuing them for their wallets seems less so.

[nomorenomore08]

10. Neither is better or worse than the other, I would think. Shallow is shallow.

And obviously, picking a partner solely based on such criteria doesn't tend to make for a lasting relationship.

[Major Nikon]

12. I agree, but the difference is one is pathologized while the other is not

[nomorenomore08]

14. I suppose both, at their extreme, should be frowned upon.

But "pathologized" is a bit strong unless you're talking about the most radical of radfems. Because condemning sexual attraction is just silly, and more resembles religious fundamentalism than anything else.

[Major Nikon]

15. I'm speaking from a societal standpoint

If objectification is an ill of society and needs to be corrected, where's the correction factor for the valuation of men for their wallets? The answer is there isn't one, nor should there be. Some people are just shallow and attempting to reorder society to correct those ills doesn't have much chance of success. The same people are still going to be shallow. That is a problem in an of itself rather than a symptom of a problem.

[nomorenomore08]

34. No argument from me. I go by how people actually treat each other rather than some abstract notion

of "objectification." The term is hopelessly subjective anyway.

[Scuba]

2. Who said we don't have groupies?

[Major Nikon]

8. Just because I've never seen sasquatch, doesn't mean it isn't real

[Upton]

4. Yeah, it's money..as soon as that comes rolling in the groupies show up.

The NBA has a significant problem with them as well. It's difficult for a young man on a road trip to say no to a good looking woman who is throwing herself at him. All the pro sports need to do a better job of educating their players about the very real dangers groupies pose..

[nomorenomore08]

11. They certainly need to use protection, if nothing else. Thus avoiding most pregnancies/STD's.

[Upton]

13. That's always a good idea..

and then there are sexual assault accusations, blackmail scams and more...A young relatively naive millionaire bursting with testosterone makes an awfully tempting target.

[Upton]

28. No, I'm not claiming they're all false..

On the other hand you seem to be suggesting a rape accusation equals guilt...and if a jury doesn't agree, it's just not justice.

[Major Nikon]

33. I don't think anyone claims all such sexual assault accusations are false

I think there are those who think false accusations of rape are higher for people who have some measure of wealth or fame. I haven't seen anything that suggests that false claims of rape are any higher statistically than false claims for other crimes and I have no reason to believe they are. The problem with rape is that generally there is just one perpetrator and just one victim at a time with no witnesses. Although physical evidence may prove that sex took place, it doesn't always prove that sex was non-consensual. This makes it a difficult crime to prove. Victim shaming is despicable. Rape that goes unpunished is a tragedy. False accusations of rape are also a tragedy.

[Warren DeMontague]

5. I dunno. Martin Luther King had groupies.

For all we know, Stephen Hawking and Alan Guth do, too.

[Major Nikon]

6. It's not uncommon that anyone famous has groupies

[Warren DeMontague]

7. TELL me about it.

[Major Nikon]

9. I meant to say famous or infamous

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Good catch

[Doctor_J]

36. having groupies at du doesn't count

[lumberjack_jeff]

37. There's a fine line between stalker and groupie. n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

16. I still fail to understand why serial killers have groupies.

To me, that is the strangest thing. I get athletes; they are in good shape, usually easy on the eyes, and are filthy rich. Serial killers?! I just don't get it.

[Major Nikon]

17. Sociopaths seem to admire each other

Ayn Rand was a big fan of serial killers.

[Behind the Aegis]

18. I am facinated by serial killers, but I don't pine for them.

I have thought about going back to school to get my doctorate in criminal psychology because it does interest me a great deal, as does forensics, but I have never mooned over Jack the Ripper or Ted Bundy. It is really something I just have a difficult time comprehending.

ETA: Damn, I wish my browser checked my spelling in the subject line!

[Major Nikon]

19. Facination is one thing, admiration is another

Rand had a thing for William Edward Hickman, who killed and dismembered a 12 year old girl, among other things. She considered him a "real man". Her idea was that the human race is evolving into a "superman" type existence where the yoke of empathy is thrown off.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. "yoke of empathy is thrown off"

OK, that is fucking scary as shit! Sadly, it seems many have taken to that philosophy and not just the "expected" conservatives.

[Major Nikon]

24. She despised any form of benevolence for fellow humans

She saw it as weakness that infested the human condition and needed to be eradicated. To describe her as selfish is really an understatement. She had all the traits of a psychopath. I think it would please her greatly that she is still able to manipulate people from well beyond the grave.

[radicalliberal]

26. I fear that certain members of Congress happen to be among her biggest fans. n/t

[Major Nikon]

31. At least one supreme court justice as well

Which is even more scary.

[Exultant Democracy]

21. From what I hear Carl Sagen had a nice following of cuties,

I also believe the main man Neil Degrasse Tyson receives a considerable amount of female attention on the internet.

[Major Nikon]

22. There are some that appreciate a beautiful mind

But not many. If you're not famous, you'll get a lot more attention by being attractive or having a fat wallet.

[Exultant Democracy]

23. But if you are famous you will have groupies, no matter your vocation. Manson come to mind.

[lumberjack_jeff]

29. Personally, I don't think groupies operate from an intellectual/rational basis.

Hormones do what hormones do.

[Major Nikon]

30. The example is metaphorical

The point is that people value men and women often for different reasons, but those reasons are no less shallow when you compare the two.

[lumberjack_jeff]

32. Fully agreed. n/t