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Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:33 PM

Thread for violence against men

I am starting this thread as a place to post incidences of violence against men or general willful neglect. I was starting individual threads, but realized it is far too common to do it that way, so this is to put them all together.

Why is this an appropriate topic for the men's Group? Because I think it needs to be hammered home that men suffer (as well as gain) from the consideration of them as the "default". With men as the default, it means that violence is only viewed from the POV of a "gender discussion" if it is a woman.

But the men killed or brutalized are victimized as a result of their gender. For example, in this video, no one could reasonably argue that the homeless man is any more of a physical threat than an average sized woman -and yet, his "dangerousness" is used as an excuse for his execution.

What do you all think? Is this a "Men's Issue"?

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Reply Thread for violence against men (Original post)
Bonobo Mar 2015 OP
Major Nikon Mar 2015 #1
kjones Mar 2015 #2
Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #3
Bonobo Mar 2015 #4
Bonobo Mar 2015 #5
Bonobo Mar 2015 #6
Bonobo Mar 2015 #7
Bonobo Apr 2015 #8
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2015 #9
Bonobo Apr 2015 #10
lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #11
Bonobo Apr 2015 #12
Bonobo Apr 2015 #13
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2015 #14
Bonobo Apr 2015 #15
Major Nikon Apr 2015 #16
Bonobo Apr 2015 #17
Major Nikon Apr 2015 #18
Bonobo Apr 2015 #19
lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #22
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2015 #20
Major Nikon Apr 2015 #21
ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2015 #23
Bonobo Jun 2015 #24
Major Nikon Jun 2015 #25
Major Nikon Jun 2015 #26
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #27

Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2015, 11:28 PM

1. Violence against men is funny. Violence against women isn't

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:05 AM

2. Yeah

When you reverse the roles of a joke and it doesn't get laughs, then you know there is something to think about there.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:17 AM

3. Some do see violence against men as "no big deal".

There is also those who ignore or joke about violence against men when the aggressor is a woman or even a child. I don't think it has to be a competition, but has to be recognized as "violence is violence" because, let's be honest, people also 'joke' about "cat fights" (female on female violence) and mock it as funny or "hot." I have no problem with some jokes, but there have to be limits.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:21 AM

4. Yep, hunky dory! Even in a presidential candidate!

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2015, 02:02 AM

5. Florida SWAT Cop Guns Down Unarmed Man in Marijuana Raid

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/peaceful-man-shot-killed-botched-drug-raid-drugs-guns/


Deltona, Florida – Twenty six-year-old Derek Cruice was shot and killed by police in cold blood this Wednesday inside of his home on Maybrook Drive in Deltona.

Witnesses say that police were conducting a “no-knock” raid where they knocked down the door with a battering ram and entered the home with their weapons drawn. Friends who were inside the home told reporters that police fired their weapons without hesitation, and that it was blatantly obvious that Cruice was unarmed, as he was wearing basketball shorts and no shirt. The friends were also quick to point out that there were no weapons on the property at all.

Cruice was reportedly shot directly in the face by Deputy Todd Raible, and although the police claim that he “advanced” towards the officers, his friends said that this is an absolute lie.

“That is completely a lie. I was there; I watched the whole thing. There was no advancement. There was no reaching for anything. The guy was wearing basketball shorts like I am. It’s kind of hard to conceal anything or hide anything when this is all you have on,” roommate Steven Cochran told reporters.

Friends of Cruice said he is not a violent person, and that he was a great human being.


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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2015, 02:27 AM

6. Nope. No "War on Men" here!

BODY CAM FOOTAGE SHOWS POLICE EXECUTING MENTALLY ILL MAN WITH SCREWDRIVER

http://filmingcops.com/body-cam-footage-shows-police-executing-mentally-ill-man-with-screwdriver/

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Wed Mar 25, 2015, 09:45 PM

7. Another one. The inter sectionalism of War on Men and War on Minorities.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:15 AM

8. Is there even a need to mention the gender of this teen shot in the back and killed?

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Tue Apr 7, 2015, 01:25 PM

9. Man lured to home, attacked with bat

http://www.record-eagle.com/news/local_news/man-lured-to-home-attacked-with-bat/article_7921a890-4b23-5739-b5a9-8c9293c592af.html

I guess because it's men committing the act "It doesn't count". Or because I'm sure the victim was "just looking for sex". But I thought it was pretty relevant considering the GD thread.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:04 PM

10. The murder of men by police should be considered a men's issue

Yes, there is intersectionalism, yes, it is an issue of people of color, but it also because they are men.

But dare to suggest that...

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:21 PM

11. Absolutely. It's the one thing they all have in common. n/t

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:15 AM

12. It isn't happening to women.

Once in a super rare while, a woman gets hit by a police officer. About as often as the man bites dog stories.

Meanwhile men of every color are beaten and killed daily by the police.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Fri Apr 10, 2015, 02:15 AM

13. Police beat the living shit out of a man. Warning.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 08:56 PM

14. Mother leaves disabled adult son in woods

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/12/mother-accused-of-leaving-disabled-son-in-woods-is-arrested/

PHILADELPHIA (WJZ)– Philadelphia Police are investigating after a 21-year-old quadriplegic man was found in a wooded area covered in a blanket on Friday night.

Officials say the man may have been left on the ground in that park for five days— while his mother, 41-year-old Nyia Parler, visited a boyfriend here in Maryland. According to the Associated Press, an arrest warrant has been issued for Parler.


Not surprisingly, some DUers want to mitigate this.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:28 AM

15. I'm quite sure they have a host of explanations

starting with "Where is the father", moving swiftly to "Why does she have to bear the burden alone?" and settling on "Latent post-partem depression" which lay dormant for 21 years.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:38 PM

16. 911 call backfires

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #16)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 07:52 PM

17. The fact that so many women think that a slap to a man's face is acceptable

is suggestive of the enormous amount of low-level physical abuse that goes on F>M all over.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:03 PM

18. Or a punch to the kidneys or a kick to the balls

...or a blunt instrument to the head. You also have both sexes getting beat or shot to death. Certainly women more often come out on the losing end for various reasons. The discredited idea that IPV is always one sided and male initiated needs to end. The way to decrease IPV starts with understanding it. Those who contribute to misunderstanding it are not doing either sex any favors.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 26, 2015, 08:11 PM

19. Yes, and the "but men are stronger" is a major logical fallacy.

If men are stronger, then their violence should only be more unacceptable than a woman's IF and WHEN they use that extra percentage of strength.

That is IF the man is stronger, but in many cases, it is not true. There are incredibly strong women, trained women, elderly men, handicapped men, all sorts of situations that the overly simplistic "but men are stronger" does not cover.

Further, if the current statistics on domestic violence are to be believed, it is much more equal (i.e. both genders do it) than commonly recognized.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 28, 2015, 03:01 PM

22. Exactly. n/t

 

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 10:33 PM

20. Wait, he had a text message from another woman?

There are some who would say "He deserved it" then.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 27, 2015, 11:30 PM

21. I don't think there's many that would say it

But there's probably a heap that would think it.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 01:06 AM

23. Prosecutor: Fiancee pushed paddle away from doomed kayaker

http://news.yahoo.com/ny-kayakers-body-found-fiancee-charged-murder-162152483.html

Three weeks after Vincent Viafore vanished during a kayak outing with Angelika Graswald 50 miles north of New York City, his body was found by a fisherman Saturday near the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, authorities said.

Graswald said she was unable to save Viafore, 46, when he capsized without a life jacket during their trip to scenic Bannerman Island. Graswald herself was rescued from the water by another boater and treated for hypothermia.

But the story soon took a startling turn. Less than two weeks later, Graswald, 35, was charged with murder. Prosecutors said she wanted out of their relationship — and to get her hands on $250,000 in life insurance.

"She felt trapped, and it was her only way out," Orange County Assistant District Attorney Julie Mohl said at a court hearing this month.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:27 AM

24. This one is horrible beyond words.

And still, if you DARE to suggest that this police killing is directed at men, you get the MRA thrown at you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6782318

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Fri Jun 5, 2015, 01:45 PM

25. Violence against men is funny

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:43 AM

26. Watch the video at the bottom of this story....

and then ask yourself if this would have happened to a woman. I don't have all the details of this shooting, so it's entirely possible the police were looking for an armed suspect that fit this man's description. However, even if that were the case, I just don't think you'd have a victim if they were looking for a female suspect and the situation was identical.

http://revolution-news.com/shocking-new-video-shows-unarmed-utah-man-was-listening-to-headphones-when-killed-by-police/

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 07:44 PM

27. Ex-MLB star Darryl Hamilton, victim of murder/suicide

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/hamilton-reached-custody-deal-days-murder-suicide-article-1.2268554

Before pulling the trigger to end her own life, Monica Jordan, the woman police suspect of killing former Mets outfielder and MLB Network analyst Darryl Hamilton on Father’s Day, made a panicked call to her ex-husband, asking him to call the police to come to her upscale Houston-area home.

Rohaven Richards then called 911, which brought police to 11506 Island Breeze St. in Shadow Creek Ranch, a high-end development, where they found Hamilton and Jordan dead, and their 14-month-old son, Jaxon Cameron Hamilton, alive in the house.

Police reportedly found Hamilton just inside the entry to the home. According to one Daily News source, Hamilton had just returned the son from a Father’s Day outing. The source also said Jordan may have left a suicide note.

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