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4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
Wed Aug 22, 2012, 07:11 PM Aug 2012

Why boys' literacy skills lag behind girls' and how to bridge the reading gap

Janae and Joseph Wise's Washington state home is a shrine to their passion for reading.

"We have books everywhere," said Janae, a professional blogger, fitness instructor and mother of four young children. As young parents, the Wises built up an impressive home library. Exposing children to books, they assumed, would naturally lead them to love reading. It hasn't quite worked out that way.

"My boys just aren't that interested in reading," Janae Wise said. Her 7-year-old son Hyrum in particular has a difficult time sitting still long enough to finish a story. "I kept asking myself, 'Why doesn't he love reading?' I have to fight this urge I have to force him to read."

The Wises' experience is more than just an anecdotal narrative.

"Parents come into the library every day concerned that their boys aren't reading," said Linda Brilz, youth services supervisor at Boise Public Library in Idaho. But the problem is bigger than "not reading." Across the country and around the world studies show that young men lag behind their female peers in literacy skills by significant margins.

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765592913/Many-working-to-bridge-wide-gender-reading-gap-in-the-US.html?pg=all

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There's some interesting speculation in there as to the cause of this discrepancy.

My dad read to me from a young age and got me in to reading for fun. And I'm very grateful for it.

I can't think of a single time since I learned to read in which I didn't have at least one book I was working on. It's sad to me that there are so many who see reading as a chore they can eventually be rid of once they get out of school. Sad and frankly this is going to cost us in the long run as it means we aren't fully utilizing all the available talent we have as a nation.

The fact that our schools are failing boys means at least half the population won't be performing at it's peak potential. That's a very concerning trend.

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Why boys' literacy skills lag behind girls' and how to bridge the reading gap (Original Post) 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 OP
I think it depends on the kid. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #1
The problem is bigger than simply the number of books they read. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #2
I often wonder if it's content craichead65 Oct 2012 #3
Some truth to that... and welcome to DU. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Oct 2012 #5
Didn't hurt that I grew up in the hills craichead65 Oct 2012 #6
It's not JUST distraction it's content of material Hemp_is_good Oct 2012 #26
Welcome to DU lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #27
thanks ^_^ Hemp_is_good Oct 2012 #29
Yeah, we didn't have many books on the curriculum that appealed to young boys 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #7
What a load of shit hnfpd Oct 2012 #30
Sure thing bucko 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #32
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #34
Oh look, some long time member created a sock puppet 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #35
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author hnfpd Oct 2012 #31
boys spend a lot of time playing video games Mosby Oct 2012 #8
Girls spend a lot of time playing with dolls 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #9
not a good comparison Mosby Oct 2012 #10
That study found that not doing your homework led to 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #11
You obviously don`t know about the video games my sons and I play.. opiate69 Oct 2012 #12
To be fair the population was much larger 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #13
D`oh!! opiate69 Oct 2012 #14
I've told my guild on more than one occasion... ZenLefty Oct 2012 #15
lol.. yep! opiate69 Oct 2012 #16
With the March of the Pandas expansion, now we're playing with teddy bears. ZenLefty Oct 2012 #22
Stop that! 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #17
I just wish they wouldn't stand in the fire. ZenLefty Oct 2012 #23
"If it wasn't on the ground when you walked in the room, move out of it!" opiate69 Oct 2012 #28
Better argument: lack of video games is to blame for girls poor science and math skill lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #25
No no, that's because we don't make special efforts to reach out to girls 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #33
Oh FFS. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #18
I think someone needs to let the author of that "study" know... opiate69 Oct 2012 #19
They produce Halotoxins which compound the effects of the erotoxins Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #20
roflmao! opiate69 Oct 2012 #21
"Halotoxins" LOL! lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #24
My dad taught me to read, too, and I suspect that's part of the key... TreasonousBastard Oct 2012 #37
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
2. The problem is bigger than simply the number of books they read.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:05 AM
Aug 2012

Boys get the message from a young age that school isn't meant for them, and it is designed to be as unengaging as possible.

Studies have shown that if you put boys in all boys classrooms their scores (as well as the girls scores) improve.

craichead65

(12 posts)
3. I often wonder if it's content
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:43 PM
Oct 2012

I read a fair amount as a kid and tore through all those old Edgar Rice Burroughs novels. they were full of adventure, excitement and sometimes violence.

Ever read Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry Finn? Same thing.

Today it's politically incorrect to write stories that boys would find exciting.

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craichead65

(12 posts)
6. Didn't hurt that I grew up in the hills
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 08:47 PM
Oct 2012

I grew up in a tiny Adirondack town during the 1970's - Two TV stations on a clear day and nothing to do except ramble through the woods, read and other frivolous things like learning musical instruments.

Not nearly as many distractions as there are today.

 

Hemp_is_good

(49 posts)
26. It's not JUST distraction it's content of material
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 07:44 PM
Oct 2012

if you look at young adult section of any book store, a great deal of it is marketed towards girls.
Remember when Harry potter came out?
Remember how EVERYONE , boys and girls couldn't stop reading it?
I do, it was during the boom. People gave a damn.
sadly a lot of what's out there is tripe.

it also doesn't help that reading is seen as "egg-head stuff" and with the amount of cyber bullying compounded with IRL bullying, it's really not a massive shock boys aren't reading much.

I also think it's an over compensation. since the 60's and especially since the 80's more and more emphasis has been on improving the lot of females (in itself a laudable goal, glad we're basically there as far as education) but it's been to the detriment if not abandonment of young men and boys.

FWIW I'm in favor of public boy-only and girls-only schools. it's been PROVEN that both genders excel when there isnt the distraction (or oppression) of the opposite sex.

but that may be a different topic

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
7. Yeah, we didn't have many books on the curriculum that appealed to young boys
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 12:00 PM
Oct 2012

Sorry but you are not going to win boys over with Pride and Prejudice.

If I didn't enjoy reading already and read extensively outside of school I certainly wouldn't have picked it up in school.

Anything portraying adventures, kids misbehaving, swearing, or even (gasp!) violence cannot be taught in school.

Books about feelings and relationships and scheming to find a husband are fine.

That should appeal equally to both boys and girls right? heh.

 

hnfpd

(8 posts)
30. What a load of shit
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:06 AM
Oct 2012

girls hate Victorian snoozefests as much as the boys and want to read about adventures and misbehavior too. Even Little House on the Prairie was pretty action-packed.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
32. Sure thing bucko
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:21 PM
Oct 2012

that's why men and women read the exact same books when given the options, because our tastes are the same.

Comics (or graphic novels if you prefer) have as many women fans as men.

And romance novels do equally well with both genders.

Because men and women are exactly the same. Duh.

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4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
35. Oh look, some long time member created a sock puppet
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 06:57 PM
Oct 2012

because they lacked the courage to attach their names to such a screed.

That's original.

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4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
9. Girls spend a lot of time playing with dolls
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:17 PM
Oct 2012

that's probably why they fall behind in math.

Yeah . . . that wouldn't pass muster here.

Mosby

(16,305 posts)
10. not a good comparison
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 01:07 PM
Oct 2012

Playing with dolls is a social activity, when girls play with dolls they create dialoge and story lines, including extensive back stories. Its a way to model and mimic adult behavior through play.

Video games by contrast are a passive activity that has virtually no social component and doesn't require the gamer to use his/her brain in any meaningful way.

Below I linked to an experiment that clearly shows the damage that video games cause in young children. They discovered that time spent playing these stupid games displaced other, more constructive activities like reading.

Of course, the fact that video games are irrationally vilified doesn’t mean that they are automatically harmless. There’s still a need for decent studies that assess their impact on behaviour. One such study has emerged from Denison University, where Robert Weis and Brittany Cerankosky have tested what happens when you give young boys, aged 6-9, a new video game system. 

They found that after 4 months, boys who had received the games had lower reading and writing scores than expected, failing to improve to the same degree as their console-less peers. They also faced more academic problems at school. At first this might seem like support for the rewired brains of Greenfield’s editorials, but the reality is much simpler – the games were displacing other after-school academic activities. While some children were finishing their homework or reading bedtime stories, those with games were mashing buttons.

There is much to like about Weis and Cerankosky’s study. For a start, it is a randomised controlled trial (RCT), one of the most reliable ways of finding out if something is truly causing a specific effect. Indeed, it is the first such trial looking into the effects of video games on the academic abilities and behaviour of young boys.


The duo recruited 64 lads who didn’t already have a video game system. Half of them – the experimental group – were randomly chosen to receive a Playstation 2 via their parents along with three all-ages games. The other half – the control group – remained without a console.  The parents were told that the study was designed to examine the boys’ development and that the video games were merely incentive for participation.

Four months later, Weis and Cerankosky caught up with the boys. They found that the budding gamers had significantly lower reading and writing scores than those who never received the PS2. In the intervening months, the control group became better at reading and writing, while the gamers stagnated or, if anything, became slightly worse. This didn’t escape the notice of their teachers, who said that they were showing more problems at school in reading, writing and spelling.


http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2010/02/23/trial-finds-that-video-games-hamper-reading-and-writing-skil/
 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
11. That study found that not doing your homework led to
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 01:16 PM
Oct 2012

poorer performance.

If anyone is not doing their work then yes they will fall behind. Video games aren't magical in this regard. It could be sports or playing with your friends.


Playing with dolls is a social activity, when girls play with dolls they create dialoge and story lines, including extensive back stories. Its a way to model and mimic adult behavior through play.

Video games by contrast are a passive activity that has virtually no social component and doesn't require the gamer to use his/her brain in any meaningful way.


This is an opinion and your study doesn't back it.


On the plus side, the video games had no effect on the boys’ mathematical skills, their attention spans, their ability to concentrate, or their ability to adapt to new problems. Nor did the gamers’ parents report any problems with their behaviour.


Do you have any theory as to why girls tend to do worse on math than boys?

/perhaps if boys are failing to find an interest in reading it's because the books assigned don't really match what they are interested in. The closest thing would be Tom Sawyer and that was written about a world that no longer resonates with many people. I remember our assigned reading lists and let me tell you Pride and Prejudice just doesn't grab the interest of a lot of boys. Victorian women scheming to find a husband to take care of them is not something that will pique their interests.
 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
12. You obviously don`t know about the video games my sons and I play..
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 01:18 PM
Oct 2012

MMORPGs, as well as PS3 games which have a focus on online co-operative gaming are, by their very nature, social games. And a large percentage of the newer games for home systems are putting tons of effort into making the online co-op play a major selling point. Also, many of the games we play have extensive puzzle solving and critical thinking aspects. And, seriously... a sampling size of 64??

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
13. To be fair the population was much larger
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 01:19 PM
Oct 2012

but they had to remove hundreds of outliers that gave the wrong answer.

ZenLefty

(20,924 posts)
15. I've told my guild on more than one occasion...
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 02:41 PM
Oct 2012

World of Warcraft is just a glorified version of playing with dolls. We collect clothes, pets, mounts and accessories, both combat and non-combat, and show them off to our friends.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
16. lol.. yep!
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 02:47 PM
Oct 2012

Dammit.. I need to get MoP and get back into it... had 7 raid-geared 85s when I stopped, but I heard the talent system got revamped -yet again.. my bad-ass shadow priests are probably weak as hell now

ZenLefty

(20,924 posts)
22. With the March of the Pandas expansion, now we're playing with teddy bears.
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 06:27 PM
Oct 2012

I gave it up for Guild Wars 2, myself. Their dolls are more anatomically correct.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
17. Stop that!
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 04:11 PM
Oct 2012

Video games are passive entertainment where boys/men go to forget how to read.

NOTHING MORE!

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
28. "If it wasn't on the ground when you walked in the room, move out of it!"
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 11:21 PM
Oct 2012

Can't even begin to count how many times I heard my raid leader say that to pugs when we were trying to run ICC lol.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
25. Better argument: lack of video games is to blame for girls poor science and math skill
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 07:22 PM
Oct 2012

Boys consistently get better SAT scores. Maybe it's the video games.



http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012046/index.asp

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
33. No no, that's because we don't make special efforts to reach out to girls
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:23 PM
Oct 2012

and get them interested in math early on.

Boys fall behind because they're naturally stuipd, lazy, or distracted.

Girls fall behind because we're holding them back.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
19. I think someone needs to let the author of that "study" know...
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 04:53 PM
Oct 2012

video games have come a bit of a way from Pong and Pacman lol

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
20. They produce Halotoxins which compound the effects of the erotoxins
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 04:57 PM
Oct 2012

So when the master chief masturbates, well.. You get the idea.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
37. My dad taught me to read, too, and I suspect that's part of the key...
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:39 AM
Oct 2012

Reading to me, and I suspect to you, was as normal as all that other little boy stuff like throwing a baseball that dads did with you back then. Now we throw kids into school unprepared for the basics and blame the schools when the kids don't catch up fast enough.

I don't want to defend too many of the attitudes back then, but some things just worked after centuries of adaptation. After dinner, when the girls followed Mom into the kitchen to help with cleanup, and maybe then into the sewing room (and the reading room) the boys were hanging out with Dad who wasn't watching the game, but had his work cut out for him teaching them the boy stuff. And reading was large part of it.

We don't seem to do that so much any more, even where there are two parent families, and kids are too often left to their own devices, which means they do the things they like, not what develops them.

Could the Asian kids' noticeable superiority at math have something to do with exposure to math at home in the early years?



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