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NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Sustainable Economies: Do they even exist in modern technological times?
For me, the error of every economic period and economic model is that it's unsustainable, not designed for three or four generations out.
Resources are finite, yet modern models of success have depended upon constant growth and expansion.
We're out of space, resources, everything, and it's time to stop growing and probably time to retract toward a truly sustainable model.
If we don't do it, nature will send us there.
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Hugin
(33,053 posts)Thought provoking and insightful. =)
elleng
(130,740 posts)What IS a 'sustainable economy?' Definition?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I'd argue that the common interpretation over my life, even among economists and especially among the populace, is that it has shrunk from perhaps three generations down to less than one generation.
Investors flip investments, bet against themselves, look for short term profit with no sense of the consequences.
Economics isn't my field, mine is architecture/education/energy, but I can still make fairly educated guesses based on observations.
Great question.
To me, I'd apply the definition for "sustainable" that's most commonly used in my world (from the EPA):
From L.Hunter Lovins, author of "Natural Capitalism" and lover of fine (Scotch whiskies):
"Respectful of future generations" being, for me, the operative term.
elleng
(130,740 posts)especially since I've got 'future generations' growing rapidly in my family.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It's why I changed careers!
Interesting observation that can be made include some of the benefits that were seen as a result of the economic collapse, including,
Less energy use YOY, a turn away from Big Trucks, a renewed interest in home-made stuff, gardening.
I think McMansions are finally on their way out, too.
I don't know whether or not an honest economist could find some economic indicators to support economic contraction, but I imagine they are out there.
Often, good economic news doesn't equate with sustainability. IE housing starts- shouldn't we be restoring buildings? Black Friday sales- really, more crap?
elleng
(130,740 posts)and I wonder to what extent she'll be able to maintain this when she has a baby. Unfortunately, one daughter is into 'things' too much for my taste. Am pleased, however, that someones have given nice gifts for baby. I'm trying to 'under-do' this, but do look for books and music gifts. And did buy crib and dresser for his room.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Girls were getting dolls by then.
We were kind of poor, too, so that might have factored in but as a fan of design and invention I've become a harsh critic of consumption and fashion, fashion being one of those economic drivers that make no sense in a sustainable world.
Rant:
When I moved to NYC to go to college, I bought a pair of Reeboks at Penney's where there might have been a dozen styles available of ALL sports shoes.
Now I walk into a store and get dizzy. Same with EVERYTHING! Look, I just want my Reeboks or Red Wing boots, a pair of 501s and a Bend Davis or Pendelton shirt.
/Rant.
But if I was a parent or grandparent, I'd probably be very weak and spoil the child!
elleng
(130,740 posts)NOT my nature, except by paying attention. They'll come to cottage and play with nature!
Good toys in kitchen cabinets at floor level, really no need for many other toys. AND young'uns like to open and close the doors!!!
I essentially don't shop (except for groceries,) and part of the reason is because I don't WANT to see the stuff in stores/malls; makes me angry.