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Crewleader

(17,005 posts)
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:46 PM Jul 2014

Why Housing Will Crash Again--But For Different Reasons Than Last Time

Why Housing Will Crash Again--But For Different Reasons Than Last Time (July 9, 2014)

by Charles Hugh Smith

Institutionalizing the speculative excesses that inflated the previous housing bubble has fed magical thinking and fostered illusions of phantom wealth and security.

The global housing market has been dominated by magical thinking for the past 15 years. The magical thinking can be boiled down to this:

A person who buys a house for $50,000 will be able to sell the same house for $150,000 a few years later without adding any real-world value. The buyer will be able to sell the house for $300,000 a few years later without adding any real-world value. The buyer will be able to sell the house for $600,000 a few years later without adding any real-world value.

And so on, decade after decade and generation after generation: a house should magically accumulate enormous capital (home equity) without the owner having to do anything but pay the mortgage for a few years.

The capital isn't created by magic, of course: it's created by a greater fool paying a fortune for the house on the speculative confidence that an even greater fool will magically appear to pay an even greater fortune for the same house a few years hence.

This is the result of housing transmogrifying from shelter purchased to slowly build equity over a lifetime of labor into a speculative bet that credit bubbles will never pop. This transmogrification is the final stage of the larger dynamic of financialization, which turns every asset into a speculative commodity that can leveraged via debt and derivatives and sold into global markets.

http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjuly14/housing-crash7-14.html
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Why Housing Will Crash Again--But For Different Reasons Than Last Time (Original Post) Crewleader Jul 2014 OP
And that was before the Fraud Demeter Jul 2014 #1
sleazy shadow bankers indeed Crewleader Jul 2014 #4
So he's saying sell now before the fools catch on DJ13 Jul 2014 #2
He is. The "shadow inventory" of houses being held off the market is still out there Warpy Jul 2014 #3
Dr Housing Bubble's last article on July 7th Crewleader Jul 2014 #7
Where is your evidence of what you say? upaloopa Jul 2014 #11
Doesn't say when abelenkpe Jul 2014 #5
I'm too tired to respond right now ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #6
Cost of building new also plays a role. appal_jack Jul 2014 #8
1968: $19,000 - 2006: $895,000 = 47 times the original price Submariner Jul 2014 #9
deleted Submariner Jul 2014 #10
All real estate is local IronLionZion Jul 2014 #12
i have friends trying to buy in north Dallas suburbs.... sendero Jul 2014 #13

Warpy

(111,249 posts)
3. He is. The "shadow inventory" of houses being held off the market is still out there
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jul 2014

and areas prone to boom and bust are going to see another bust sooner rather than later, I'm afraid.

Florida hasn't recovered much, so they likely won't take another big dive, but southern California and the Phoenix and Las Vegas areas likely will.

Crewleader

(17,005 posts)
7. Dr Housing Bubble's last article on July 7th
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:24 PM
Jul 2014
The real estate gamble in Las Vegas: Year-over-year inventory up 51 percent in Las Vegas. Cash buyers fall by 20 percent from last year.

http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/las-vegas-real-estate-gamble-rentals-investors-in-vegas/

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
11. Where is your evidence of what you say?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:12 AM
Jul 2014

My house in Central Coast of CA has gained $100,000 in value since I bought it in 2011. I plan to sell it and put the equity down on a smaller home. I will still have the same amount of equity in the new house.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
6. I'm too tired to respond right now ...
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:22 PM
Jul 2014

But B.S., Peter. (But that's nothing new.)

On a quick scan of the data, he is drawing conclusions that compare different time-frames, his Fed purchase graphic does mean what he says it means, and finally, suffice it to say for now ... Never take sell advice from an "investment guru" that makes a living shorting the industry he/she is telling you, via their proprietary investor's news letter, to sell out of ... that would make YOU the "bigger fool" he/she is talking about!

I will write a more comprehensive response tomorrow, if time allows.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
8. Cost of building new also plays a role.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 11:25 PM
Jul 2014

The cost of building new also plays a role. We are seeking to build a well-insulated but fairly small house at the moment, and the costs are staggering. If someone had offered us a house on land in the same community before we found the right raw land, we definitely would have doubled their money, gladly, and still come out ahead, probably.

-app

Submariner

(12,503 posts)
9. 1968: $19,000 - 2006: $895,000 = 47 times the original price
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:00 AM
Jul 2014

My parents sold our home for 19K and when I checked on the assessment a few years ago it was almost 900K. Same house, no visible improvements in an Archie Bunker row house type of neighborhood. Then it was blue collar working class people. Now it is interns at local hospitals or students at Tufts Univ.

Crazy prices.

Somerville, MA.

IronLionZion

(45,432 posts)
12. All real estate is local
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:06 AM
Jul 2014

in some neighborhoods, it really will increase in value because the demand for housing has increased due to growth of the local economy and population. Others may go in the opposite direction.

Things get really interesting in cities that get gentrified and neighborhoods change very quickly where the urban areas might be more attractive and nearby suburbs might become less attractive. This is apparent in the DC metro area and PG county, MD.

And many times job changes or relocation or whatever may cause selling or renting of homes, rather than the value of the home. People move more of then than they used to.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
13. i have friends trying to buy in north Dallas suburbs....
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 04:38 PM
Jul 2014

.... houses are selling the day they are put on the market. Multiple offers, sometimes over asking price.

Dallas and TX in general did not participate in the boom of the early 2000 many areas of the country did, and the bust wasn't nearly as severe.

I've heard that the housing market is an "overheated bubble" in areas of the country and still moribund in others. Makes it hard to know what the big picture really is IMHO.

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