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THE MORNING SHIFT
The Collapse Might Finally Be Here
Patrick George
Today 10:00am
September was an absolute disaster for new car sales, more bad news may lay ahead for the car industry as a whole, General Motors striking workforce digs in, Teslas going to China and more for The Morning Shift of Wednesday, Oct. 2, 2019.
1st Gear: The Oh Shit Moment Has Arrived
For the past two years or so, weve seen a general flattening or outright decline in new car sales after nearly a decade of unfettered growth. Some segments and brands have fared better than others, of course. In general, this hasnt been a stellar time to be selling sedans and small cars. But fears of a saturated new car market have always loomed large, compounded by concerns over a larger economic downturn lurking around the corner.
Well, Septembers new car sales figures wont do anything to assuage those fears. Very much the opposite. Things seem bad across the board.
Heres Bloomberg:
I wont go into all the details here but theres a ton more at Automotive News explaining how bad it was, brand by brand. Just read the headlines:
{snip}
Update 1:30 p.m.: Since a lot of people are reading this story, Ill go ahead and add the newly released numbers from the American automakers.
According to Automotive News, Fiat Chrysler posted a 10 percent year-over-year sales decline, as did GM, while Ford was down a whole 12 percent. So its pretty not-great news all around.
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The Collapse Might Finally Be Here
Patrick George
Today 10:00am
September was an absolute disaster for new car sales, more bad news may lay ahead for the car industry as a whole, General Motors striking workforce digs in, Teslas going to China and more for The Morning Shift of Wednesday, Oct. 2, 2019.
1st Gear: The Oh Shit Moment Has Arrived
For the past two years or so, weve seen a general flattening or outright decline in new car sales after nearly a decade of unfettered growth. Some segments and brands have fared better than others, of course. In general, this hasnt been a stellar time to be selling sedans and small cars. But fears of a saturated new car market have always loomed large, compounded by concerns over a larger economic downturn lurking around the corner.
Well, Septembers new car sales figures wont do anything to assuage those fears. Very much the opposite. Things seem bad across the board.
Heres Bloomberg:
Results were disastrous for leading Asian automakers Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co., which both suffered double-digit declines that were worse than analysts anticipated. While a fuller picture will emerge Wednesday when General Motors Co. and Ford Motor Co. are due to report, the poor performance suggests that overall deliveries of cars and light trucks could come in worse than the 12% drop anticipated by analysts, based on six estimates.
The severity of the slide stokes fears that a long-anticipated car sales collapse may be arriving. The slowdown puts auto dealers already struggling with shrinking profit margins in an even more precarious position. With outgoing model-year vehicles clogging their lots, automakers had to pony up record incentives of more than $4,100 a vehicle in the third quarter, according to researchers at J.D. Power and LMC Automotive.
I wont go into all the details here but theres a ton more at Automotive News explaining how bad it was, brand by brand. Just read the headlines:
{snip}
Update 1:30 p.m.: Since a lot of people are reading this story, Ill go ahead and add the newly released numbers from the American automakers.
According to Automotive News, Fiat Chrysler posted a 10 percent year-over-year sales decline, as did GM, while Ford was down a whole 12 percent. So its pretty not-great news all around.
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ClayHawk > Patrick George
10/02/19 12:52pm
Patrick you should read this article if you have not already -
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-seven-year-auto-loan-americas-middle-class-cant-afford-their-cars-11569941215
This shows the problem form a different angle as well.
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Jalopnik: The Collapse Might Finally Be Here (Original Post)
mahatmakanejeeves
Oct 2019
OP
Good for the environment,bad for the economy-----Too many HUGE cars on the road.
virgogal
Oct 2019
#1
virgogal
(10,178 posts)1. Good for the environment,bad for the economy-----Too many HUGE cars on the road.
VMA131Marine
(4,138 posts)2. Young people in particular
are moving to urban areas with good public transport and not buying cars.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)3. Fiat Chrysler along with Nissan are in the weakest position
it appears as of now. Looks like they are getting ready to unload most of their inventory and hunker down and hope they don't go bankrupt. Ford should be okay,they have several hundred billion in cash and cash equivalents. GM is totally messed up,jokingly know as China Motors by many of the Iron peddlers.