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Eugene

(61,872 posts)
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:19 PM Jun 2016

Wal-Mart wage hike to $15 an hour would cost it $4.95 billion: study

Source: Reuters

Business | Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:05pm EDT

Wal-Mart wage hike to $15 an hour would cost it $4.95 billion: study

Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT.N) would have to spend an additional $4.95 billion if it were to raise the minimum wage for its hourly employees in the United States to $15 per hour from the current $10 per hour, according to an estimate by the UC Berkeley Center for Labor Research.

As the country's largest private employer, Wal-Mart employs nearly 1.5 million people in the United States. Of that, 1.1 million are hourly employees, according to the study. The study estimated that 979,000 employees would get an increase if Wal-Mart went to $15 per hour.

The world's largest retailer raised wages for its hourly workers to $10 per hour earlier this year, but labor groups have called the raise inadequate. They have been demanding a $15 minimum wage, and the "Fight for Fifteen" movement has been a topic of discussion during the U.S. presidential campaign.

The research was released last week and has so far not been reported widely by the media. It was conducted at the request of OUR Wal-Mart, a union-backed group.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-walmart-wages-idUSKCN0YW2EA
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Wal-Mart wage hike to $15 an hour would cost it $4.95 billion: study (Original Post) Eugene Jun 2016 OP
I don't shop at Wal-Mart - Haven't for 25 years. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #1
Maybe more accurate: katsy Jun 2016 #2
Ding ding ding!! HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #3
Exactly! peace13 Jun 2016 #5
Plus ... Trajan Jun 2016 #9
And there would be some tax benefits to Walmart for the extra cost of doing business. ladjf Jun 2016 #26
Why $15 TeddyR Jun 2016 #4
living wage, but not by much rurallib Jun 2016 #27
and then walmart sales would go way UP and many fewer boycotters too. long term bonus for WM nt msongs Jun 2016 #6
The elites never admit that wage increases cost them nothing DJ13 Jun 2016 #7
Hmmmm... deathrind Jun 2016 #8
What was the net profit? NT Elmergantry Jun 2016 #10
Net profit is whatever you want it to be. Loudestlib Jun 2016 #11
No it isnt. you have gaap principles to follow, and an audit to pass Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #13
Thanks Elmergantry Jun 2016 #17
$14.6 Billion in '15, $16.6 B in '14 & $16.0 B in '13. Deny and Shred Jun 2016 #28
IIRC, the Walton family gets about 16 billion in profits each year. While the taxpayers Squinch Jun 2016 #12
cutting what, 3% of the profits for the waltons? pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #14
More like 30% NT Elmergantry Jun 2016 #18
I wonder if this study takes into account savings made PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #15
Give a raise to the working poor and it goes directly back into the economy. mountain grammy Jun 2016 #16
the real horror DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #19
If WalMarts CEO worked for $1 Elmergantry Jun 2016 #20
WHICH TOTALLY misses the point about CORPORATE PROFITS. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #22
Well what is the point? Elmergantry Jun 2016 #23
You are conflating, or confusing, CEO pay and corporate profit. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #24
So Walmart spent Elmergantry Jun 2016 #25
Your "simple math" misses the point. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #29
again whats your point? Elmergantry Jun 2016 #31
WalMart spent twice that on a stock buy back. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #21
I think Wal-Mart could be convinced to stand down on that bluestateguy Jun 2016 #30

katsy

(4,246 posts)
2. Maybe more accurate:
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jun 2016

Wal-Mart wage hike to $15 an hour would SAVE TAXPAYERS $4.95 billion in corporate welfare

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
9. Plus ...
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jun 2016

Those wages will be in the hands of regular workers who will SPEND EVERY DIME! ...

That spending will boost local business revenues and increase profits .... They just don't fucking get it ...

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
26. And there would be some tax benefits to Walmart for the extra cost of doing business.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jun 2016

How would that extra cost actually effect the Walton's personal annual income?

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
27. living wage, but not by much
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jun 2016

But I am guessing by the tone of your post that there should be no minimum?

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
7. The elites never admit that wage increases cost them nothing
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jun 2016

They never increase wages by decreasing margins.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
8. Hmmmm...
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:38 PM
Jun 2016

"Revenue: Consolidated revenue reached $485.7 billion, an increase of $9.4 billion, or 2.0 percent. Currency exchange rate fluctuations negatively impacted revenue by approximately $5.3 billion. Constant currency revenue was almost $491 billion. E-commerce sales globally rose approximately 22 percent for the year, to $12.2 billion."

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
13. No it isnt. you have gaap principles to follow, and an audit to pass
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 01:26 AM
Jun 2016

You cant just make things up, you have rules to follow.

Walmart gets audited every year.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
17. Thanks
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jun 2016

Nice to hear from the world of reality.


Isnt it around 15Billion or so? Over revenue of 400 billion or so? That's around 3%. 5 billion increase in wages cuts that margin to 2%? Very roughly speaking of course. At 2% that not an impressive margin. Stock price would suffer. Investors would flee.


Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
28. $14.6 Billion in '15, $16.6 B in '14 & $16.0 B in '13.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jun 2016

Many billions in profit in previous years. Obviously $4.5 Billion is too much to pay to workers.

Fear not, Hillary will expend extensive political capital to rein in these corporate abuses.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
12. IIRC, the Walton family gets about 16 billion in profits each year. While the taxpayers
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 01:12 AM
Jun 2016

pay billions in welfare payments to Walmart workers. So increasing the minimum wage will reduce the taxpayers' welfare payments to Walmart workers, and I suspect that the Waltons can tighten their belts and squeak by on 11 billion a year.

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
15. I wonder if this study takes into account savings made
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:40 AM
Jun 2016

Especially from less employee churn, but also if workers can survive on main wage without taking on part-time or overtime work, they will be less tired, more productive.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
16. Give a raise to the working poor and it goes directly back into the economy.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jun 2016

Give a billionaire a raise and it goes offshore.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
19. the real horror
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:58 AM
Jun 2016

is not the idea that every business owner should expect to pay billions to raise the wage, it is that this family that can fit inside a limousine can afford to do just that and still have a few billion to live off of.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
20. If WalMarts CEO worked for $1
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

and gave his 25 million in comp to workers in increased wages, each of the 979,000 employees would earn about $25.00 more...per year.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
23. Well what is the point?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:48 PM
Jun 2016

Wasn't it that WalMart is rolling in so much money that they can easily take on a 30% increase in wage costs?

Well the numbers show that it is not the case.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
24. You are conflating, or confusing, CEO pay and corporate profit.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jun 2016

Walmart recently bought back a massive amount of common stock. Read more here:

http://corporate.walmart.com/_news_/news-archive/investors/walmart-board-approves-new-15-billion-share-repurchase-program-1570554

The article, from WalMart itself, details a 13 billion buy back of stock. This buy back benefits the principal shareholders, who just happen to be the Walton heirs. It has been estimated that the 6 principal heirs are worth more than the bottom 40% of Americans COMBINED!!!!!!

If you feel that a company that pays its employees so little that many qualify for public aid, while also massively rewarding its executives and Walton family, is employing a good, sustainable business model, I would suggest that you need to do much more reading.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
25. So Walmart spent
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jun 2016

13 billion of it own money to buy back its stock. Its WalMarts stock not the heirs. This stock is owned by the company, not the heirs.
The heirs shares may increase in value; so be it. After all it is the shareholders company.

But anyway are you saying it should have put that 13 billion into to increasing wages? For what, 3-4 years? till that extra money runs out? Then what?

>>If you feel that a company that pays its employees so little that many qualify for public aid, while also massively rewarding its executives and Walton family, is employing a good, sustainable business model, I would suggest that you need to do much more reading.

I am saying there is no correlation to executive pay to employee wages, as my simple math demonstrated. Take the millions to the CEO and give it to the nearly 1 million workers and they get next to squat. The Waltons get their money thru dividends (profits) and stock value appreciation. You want them to stop giving dividends and give it to employees? Again, giving away 30% of their profits to increased wages will tank the stock value - see how long WalMart will be "sustainable" after that. See the CEO out on his can per the BOD/Shareholders..

As for a sustainable business model, It seems WalMart has been doing ok, and will continue to do so it appears, so I guess for them it is quite sustainable.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
29. Your "simple math" misses the point.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jun 2016

By design or for another reason.

Your last comment is classic right wing corporate propaganda. Perhaps you also do not realize that your tax dollars subsidize the Walton 1% heirs. They are getting richer at your expense.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
31. again whats your point?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jun 2016

I take it it is this:

"If you feel that a company that pays its employees so little that many qualify for public aid, while also massively rewarding its executives and Walton family, is employing a good, sustainable business model"


Again, it seems to be working for WalMart, and has done so for may years. So yes it is sustainable as far as WalMart POV is concerned.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
21. WalMart spent twice that on a stock buy back.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jun 2016

The buy back principally benefited the Walton family which owns the majority of the shares of common stock.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
30. I think Wal-Mart could be convinced to stand down on that
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jun 2016

it's the incessant whining of the small business and restaurant lobby that is likely to be a bigger political obstacle.

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