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Sat Mar 21, 2020, 03:08 AM

If schools are closed until Sept what grade will kids be in when they return?

I heard CA state say that they can't pretend that the lost time is OK and go on from there. How will students make up for what they missed? Ditsy DeVos has no answers, of course.

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Reply If schools are closed until Sept what grade will kids be in when they return? (Original post)
BigmanPigman Mar 2020 OP
greyl Mar 2020 #1
mr_lebowski Mar 2020 #2
jimfields33 Mar 2020 #3
apcalc Mar 2020 #4
BigmanPigman Mar 2020 #5
samplegirl Mar 2020 #6
GreenPartyVoter Mar 2020 #9
BigmanPigman Mar 2020 #13
GreenPartyVoter Mar 2020 #7
samnsara Mar 2020 #8
brer cat Mar 2020 #11
gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #10
Igel Mar 2020 #12

Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 03:15 AM

1. 13 and a half.

The break from inertial, habitual behavior might have a few silver linings.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 03:41 AM

2. (I)ncomplete? nt

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 04:00 AM

3. I can't imagine they are going to make a bunch of students repeat.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 04:24 AM

4. The next one. Pass 'em all.

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Response to apcalc (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 04:30 AM

5. The classes on-line and on PBS

will not count and can't be applied to their "number of attendance" days. The only time I remember school being closed was for a week in 2003 and a week in 2007 when there were fires near San Diego. This sort of thing never happened before. I wonder what the San Francisco School District did after the 1906 earthquake.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 05:22 AM

6. Well that's sad

my grandkids are doing their work at home daily.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 07:43 AM

9. I can remember using up all our snow days and making them up on Saturday half days. We

wheeled in TVs and watched cartoons. Summer school sounds like a possibility, but it can get very hot and humid here and we donít have AC in our buildings.

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 09:47 PM

13. I taught at a year round school and we went until July 20th.

No A/C either. I was glad since this building was new and replaced the one that was demolished since there was years of stagnant water in the ceiling and it permanently ruined my health and immune system (black mold). Since it didn't have A/C I was glad...at least I would not be getting as sick in the future (I thought). I would mist the kids with my spray water. The fans just blew their papers around the room. I prefer year round school since kids get bored (at least that is what they always told me)over long vacations and the lower grades forget too much during the long Summer and we have to reteach everything. Year round makes sense. Traditional schedules were developed during the time when kids worked on farms and parents needed their help to put food on the table. We do not need to do that now. Mostly the schedule is kept to help out parents with many different kids in different schools and they need to plan/coordinate work schedules, day care and vacations together.

If kids are going to miss school how are they going to plan for college and take entrance exams? And if we are closing schools, possibly 6 months or more, it can't really be made up during vacations and weekends. This is another big problem and DeVos doesn't know shit.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 07:41 AM

7. We may have a generation that lags behind benchmarks throughout school. We were

already scrambling to deal with kids who were behind, and as you know, this will not help. The 2 week packets we sent home were meant to maintain skills, not teach new material. I am going in next week to help the teacher put together another round, but I am so frustrated that I canít help my Kindergarteners get ready for first grade.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 07:43 AM

8. my grand dtr graduates this june..no online classes are in place for them..

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Response to samnsara (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 08:13 AM

11. Do you know if she will in fact graduate?

My youngest grand is also a senior and I wonder if she will have to return to high school next fall.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 08:04 AM

10. Michigan Department of education

says online doesn't count K 12. I think they may look to leg. to pass new laws. I fear once kids hear that they'll simply quit.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Sat Mar 21, 2020, 06:44 PM

12. Devos will properly have no answers.

Not a federal function. States set standards for graduation and seat time.

I have kids denied credit because before school was suspended they had 10 unexecused absences from my class Sorry, the state says you can only have 9. I've had kids with no problem missing 15 days for school approved activities.

I have one in-school course that has no seat-time requirement at all. If they'd finished up by October they'd have gotten the years' credit. It took a state waiver, but the feds had no say. State requirement, that one.

And if it's credit recovery, there's no requirement. If it's the *same course* taken for initial credit, it's something like 5 7-hour days.

It's a state thang.

We're released as states from federally-required standardized tests. And the governor here has said standardized testing isn't for this year. (What that means we don't know for sure, but the education commissioner was pissed off over that. Testy tester's gonna protest no testing.)

In Texas we have virtual school and some districts have online classes for some subjects for some students. And as long as districts say it's okay, as long as we offer standards-based classes and have some way of holding them accountable, we can give them course credit.

Now, teachers are concerned (or not, diversity!) about whether what we teach this year will be sufficient prep for next year. One class I teach is an on-level science elective with mostly seniors in it. I'm not especially concerned, because there is no "prep for next year." Another course doesn't have a sequel: You screw up the last 9 weeks of on-level chemistry, meh. At best I've messed up ... I don't know what I've messed up, there's no good vertical alignment for what's coming up. Now, the pre-AP algebra II teachers are terrified, because their kids are heading for the meat grinder known as pre-calculus.

My kid's in pre-AP English, and he's started getting work. But some of the kids in on-level English ... They're not going to do their assignments and they'll be doubly behind. Many are LEPs and tech challenged already, but even more they're motivationally challenged: without the motivation of in-your-face learning probably some won't even bother to log in. They should be given t-shirts that read, "Stay cool, stay a fool!"

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