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Concerns about the 'Common Core' (Original Post) elleng May 2013 OP
GB Radio Program has focused on Common Core alot lately. Jorsen May 2013 #1
Welcome to DU, Jorsen. NYC_SKP May 2013 #2
HEY, SKP! elleng May 2013 #4
Hey elleng! NYC_SKP May 2013 #5
GREAT you met up with Blue! elleng May 2013 #6
Welcome, Jorsen, elleng May 2013 #3
Jorsen's honesty is admirable savebigbird May 2013 #7
Think critically. Igel May 2013 #8

Jorsen

(2 posts)
1. GB Radio Program has focused on Common Core alot lately.
Mon May 6, 2013, 12:54 AM
May 2013

I am concerned about Common Core in some ways, but I am trying to step back and do my own homework on a lot of issues and Common Core is one of many.

Glenn Beck's radio program was actively attacking Common Core over the last few months talking about it's incredible almost science fiction film style abuse of our children with testing and data mining.

I listen to Glenn Beck and Mark Levin regularly. I am more of a conservative small government minded person, but I also know that THAT is primarily due to my reading and listening more to conservative view points.

I am here to do more homework and start ingesting some liberal thought. Time to do more reading and more homework.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. Welcome to DU, Jorsen.
Mon May 6, 2013, 01:02 AM
May 2013

Maybe by spending some time here and by reading a broader range of opinions and well-sourced articles, you'll come around to adopting a different point of view.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. Hey elleng!
Mon May 6, 2013, 01:08 AM
May 2013

I just got back from Alaska, I got to meet up with Blue_In_AK and did you see who else I met while there?

(on my FB timeline)

elleng

(130,865 posts)
3. Welcome, Jorsen,
Mon May 6, 2013, 01:06 AM
May 2013

but be forewarned: You'll hear a LOT of argument here if you base your points of view on glenn beck and mark levin; in fact, you may be asked to leave. This IS DEMOCRATIC Underground.

In my opinion, 'conservative' and 'small government minded' should NOT predispose ANYONE to listen to the two people you mentioned. You could do MUCH better.

As to education matters, I HOPE that many can agree on basic principles such as those discussed by Carol Burris. I am not at all confident that will occur.

savebigbird

(417 posts)
7. Jorsen's honesty is admirable
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:11 AM
May 2013

and I'm glad he/she is here to widen perspectives. I wish more people would do their research in more than one place before forming opinions.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
8. Think critically.
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:58 PM
May 2013

And I don't mean, "Be critical of Beck."

I mean think critically about what Beck or others (here or elsewhere) say.

Common Core is a set of standards. Common Core is not a method of evaluation. It is not data mining. It is rigor in standards, not how to implement these standards.

Standards tend to be a bit mushy. Take this one.
"... The student is expected to ... contrast the characteristics of comets, asteroids, and meteoroids and their positions in the solar system, including the orbital regions of the terrestrial planets, the asteroid belt, gas giants, Kuiper Belt, and Oort Cloud; (and) explore the historical and current hypotheses for the origin of the Moon, including the collision of Earth with a Mars-sized planetesimal."

It sounds precise, but what does it mean? Do you have to know the standard theory of the Moon's formation? Arguments in favor of it? Against it? How about doubts that have surfaced in the last year? Older theories? If the teacher has a preferred one, can he weight his discourse to that theory? And how does the teacher handle the low SES assumption that something is either right or wrong? Useful or useless? I've had students object to a "confirmation" that was 0.01% off, at the limits of what equipment would allow. "But it's not right!" they'd say.

The student should contrast the characteristics of comets, asteroids, etc. Does he have to compare them, as well? Understand their origins and why they have the contrasts they do? Where do you stop?

How do you implement this standard? Quick test? Project? Do you need to make sure every student has this standard nailed? 90%? 80%? How about 90% gets 80% of it? And how do you check up on the public employee's output?

It's the last paragraph that jumps the rails. Bureaucrats, those who must control and be "accountable" demand to know. That demands testing. Gotta make sure the employees do their jobs--the taxpaying voters demand it. Researchers do, too, with all the "data-driven" drivel, where you have to know exactly what kids know and push to share techniques to assure mastery. Current best practice, promoted not by politicians but by academicians. They want to control how things are done and are jealous of their authority.

Common Core is the wedge. All states have standards. Most have raised them recently. CC tries to make them uniform across political jurisdictions. But the will to power by politicians and academicians makes it into a tool for splitting.

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