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NYC_SKP Feb 2012 OP
msongs Feb 2012 #1
NYC_SKP Feb 2012 #4
elleng Feb 2012 #2
NYC_SKP Feb 2012 #5
elleng Feb 2012 #6
NYC_SKP Feb 2012 #8
elleng Feb 2012 #9
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #3
elleng Feb 2012 #7
proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #11
NYC_SKP Feb 2012 #14
crunch60 Feb 2012 #26
proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #10
NYC_SKP Feb 2012 #13
proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #15
William769 Feb 2012 #16
proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #18
tammywammy Feb 2012 #20
proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #21
NYC_SKP Feb 2012 #17
proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #19
NYC_SKP Feb 2012 #22
proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #27
mopinko Feb 2012 #23
tkmorris Feb 2012 #24
NYC_SKP Feb 2012 #28
Post removed Feb 2012 #12
crunch60 Feb 2012 #25

Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:19 PM

1. your forum seems to be primarily a marketing tool for an outside blog really nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:30 PM

4. It has, sadly, become very much that.

 

A blogger who posts the content of their blog but never replies: this had become the bulk of posts in the Ed forum at DU2.

I had higher hopes.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:21 PM

2. VERY sorry to hear this, SKP.

Looks like just another ordinary discussion, w disagreements, to me.

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:31 PM

5. Hi elleng!

 

I'm so glad people like you are still around!



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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:35 PM

6. Good to see you, too, SKP,

'specially since you remind me of my cousin, 'Skippy,' who's definitely from NYC!!!

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Response to elleng (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:38 PM

8. A little understood fact:

 

The SKP part of my handle stand for the word "escapee", get it? S-K-P!

I'm now in northern california!!!

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:45 PM

9. Gotcha. Glad you've not escaped from DU! Not sure why cousin got moniker Skip,

but I may be the only one who calls him that now. AND he's not in NYC any longer; MD suburb of DC, as am I.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:22 PM

3. The entire concept of hosts blocking people in groups is unacceptable

I am hoping that Skinner and Earl will see this as a failed experiment sooner rather than later

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:36 PM

7. I agree, Professor.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:47 PM

11. You need to take that discussion to the Help and Meta-discussion forum

Blocking is allowed until the admins decide to change that.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:06 PM

14. Oh I did.

 

Education is too important a topic to be left to people who can't host according to the SOP and general rules of civility.

I hope you fix it on your own but if you don't there are other ways it can be fixed.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:00 AM

26. I agree, hosts should stay above their personal emotions.. You know, look at the big picture,

 

or step down and let someone who can remain objective take over.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:45 PM

10. And I vehemently oppose the hostility in that thread

I'm not going there.

When I agreed to host this group, I was contacted by several regular posters who were concerned about the teacher bashing and personal attacks which had become all too common on DU2. We've lost good members who grew tired of the negativity.

I'm not going there.

I asked mopinko twice in that thread to take her argument elsewhere. She responded by reporting her level of respect for me, which I felt was another personal attack.

I realize I had a choice. I could have just alerted and let a jury decide. But while I was carefully considering what to do, I had an inbox of accumulating PMs and emails asking for a block.

I'll leave this thread up until I go to bed tonight. But I'm then locking it. However, I don't believe I have to leave it up and I could lock it now. If the discussion gets out of hand, I will lock it.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:04 PM

13. And so you pinned the stupid ass thread to the top of the forum? Are you serious?

 

I hope after you've slept on it you'll see the error of your ways and apologize and undo the harm that you've done to the DU education group.

You're out of line, and this kind of behavior from anyone, and from the host of a progressive discussion board in particular, is a gross embarrassment and the kind of thing that can only hurt educational progress.

Unbelievable.

Actually, you should probably step down as host and offer up a vote for somebody less inclined to abuse their power.

You were never a DU moderator, I'll bet.

Fix it.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:22 PM

15. No, you're the one who's out of line.

My past experience as a mod or not has absolutely nothing to do with this controversy today.

I pinned that thread by mistake. Then I trashed it, thinking it would disappear, but now I see it only disappears on my page. So I don't know how to fix it and I'm not going to worry about that tonight. It certainly doesn't seem critical to anyone but you.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:25 PM

16. If you don't mind me saying.

It's real simple to unpin.

Just click on SuperPowers and click on unpin.

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Response to William769 (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:28 PM

18. Thanks but I trashed it,

thinking that would delete it on everyone's page. But it is only gone on mine.

So I can't see it.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:31 PM

20. Go to "My Account"

Select "Thread Trash Can" and you can restore the thread and correct your error.

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:36 PM

21. Thank you.

Done.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:28 PM

17. We need a new host, I've posted a thread calling for an election.

 

You might have pinned the thread by mistake but blocking mopinko from the group is an action without any basis in rules or procedures.

And, frankly, blocking her and pinning the post makes it all look really really bad.

I think a different host would be a good thing for this group, education is too important and with anything important there are going to be arguments.

You can't just block someone from OUR group.

Sorry it didn't work out for you.

NYC_SKP

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:31 PM

19. You don't know the whole story.

You haven't read mopinko's PMs to me. And you won't since I would be violating her privacy by posting them here.

They are not nice.

I've also been contacted via PM and email asking to block her.

Just now got a request to block you.

Yes this is OUR group. Not YOURs, lots of OURS here.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:45 PM

22. A request to block me... hahaha. Not a lover of education, whomever sent it.

 

What you've written above is actually a bit of a breech of confidentiality.

Nonetheless, your behavior in the pinning and the locking and the blocking are, taken together or taken separately, grounds for replacement IMHO.

Let's assume that it's true that the pinning happened accidentally, and that mopinko asked you to block her.

We still have the locking of that thread for utterly no good reason at all.

Or was that an accident, too, or a request from the poster?

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:04 AM

27. mopinko hasn't asked me for anything

You're obviously confused and I'm sorry it I haven't been clear.

I've done my best to be fair.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:47 PM

23. the full text of my one and only pm-

really *****
you should be ashamed of yourself.

thank you for unblocking me. but really, these things should be going through the jury system, not the pm system.

look, there has been a lot of bad blood here, and it saddens me. i think on many issues we all agree. but i tell it like it is here in chicago. and how it has been for my kids. i wouldn't even bother mostly, except for the national import that what happened here has taken on in the last 3 years. and for that i have earned enemies.
i have never attacked any teacher here. i have never made it personal. i have never extrapolated chicago to any other place. i have gone out of my way to start threads about things i thought we could discuss and agree on. all to no avail.

i know that there are a few other members that have spent time banging their heads here, parents who take a different view. they are vilified. they don't bother any more. but at the same time, when the subject comes up about how to improve schools, the #1 suggestion is usually that parents need to step up. well, this little microcosm here is how it is when parents step up. people talk past each other. people cover their asses. people point fingers.
how good it would be to at least be able to rise above that sort of thing here.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:52 PM

24. I am of the opinion that you were wrong to suggest this

"I asked mopinko twice in that thread to take her argument elsewhere. "

That was a completely unreasonable request given that the post itself Mopinko was responding to is here, in this forum. Where else would you expect the response to be? If you felt Mopinko's response to you was a personal attack you should have let a jury decide that, and if they let it stand you should have too. Frankly I don't think expressing the level of respect you have for someone is a personal attack at all, but that is beside the point.

This isn't about taking anyone's side. This about allowing differing opinions to be discussed. You seem to want this forum to exist only as an echo chamber and I think that would be a huge mistake.

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Response to tkmorris (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:09 AM

28. This is my opinion, as well. (nt)

 

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Response to NYC_SKP (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:56 PM

25. I agree with you, don't want to get like Huff Post mods, who will block anyone

 

that is a little to far to the left.. This is a progressive site, discourse should be welcomed.

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