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femmedem

(8,188 posts)
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 11:28 PM Aug 2017

Scientist leaks massive climate change report to NYT

Government Report Finds Drastic Impact of Climate Change on U.S.

WASHINGTON — The average temperature in the United States has risen rapidly and drastically since 1980, and recent decades have been the warmest of the past 1,500 years, according to a sweeping federal climate change report awaiting approval by the Trump administration.

The draft report by scientists from 13 federal agencies, which has not yet been made public, concludes that Americans are feeling the effects of climate change right now. It directly contradicts claims by President Trump and members of his cabinet who say that the human contribution to climate change is uncertain, and that the ability to predict the effects is limited.

“Evidence for a changing climate abounds, from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the oceans,” a draft of the report states. A copy of it was obtained by The New York Times.

The authors note that thousands of studies, conducted by tens of thousands of scientists, have documented climate changes on land and in the air. “Many lines of evidence demonstrate that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse (heat-trapping) gases, are primarily responsible for recent observed climate change,” they wrote...

More at link.

Why would a scientist leak a draft report? Because, as this twitter thread explains, here are the heads of the thirteen agencies who would have had to sign off on it before it went public:



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Scientist leaks massive climate change report to NYT (Original Post) femmedem Aug 2017 OP
all anyone needs to do is talk to gardeners and farmers (and others of course) - but some of us are NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #1
I wouldn't be so sure JackintheGreen Aug 2017 #4
Wow. I've changed a zone here and disease weather and NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #5
That's part of it JackintheGreen Aug 2017 #7
Earlier this year, my Dad was reminiscing... OKIsItJustMe Aug 2017 #8
I remember when this map came out. I'd love to see a newer one like it... WePurrsevere Aug 2017 #14
The current map is here OKIsItJustMe Aug 2017 #15
Thank you. I was just hoping for a newer animated one. WePurrsevere Aug 2017 #19
Yeah, I looked for another animated one yesterday... OKIsItJustMe Aug 2017 #21
The movement of species is something no one talks about trixie2 Aug 2017 #2
Well, here, in this group, we talk about it a fair amount OKIsItJustMe Aug 2017 #16
We both posted the same link trixie2 Aug 2017 #23
Read the Draft of the Climate Change Report OKIsItJustMe Aug 2017 #3
Off to the Greatest page with you! SeattleVet Aug 2017 #6
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2017 #9
Good. shanny Aug 2017 #10
Indeed. And welcome to Democratic Underground! femmedem Aug 2017 #13
Thank you. shanny Aug 2017 #18
Yeah... I know a number of scientists... OKIsItJustMe Aug 2017 #17
Exactly! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2017 #22
When government doesn't work, TG the press does Alice11111 Aug 2017 #11
I just downloaded it. The fake prez is keeping scientific data and research from getting out BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #12
Are there any lawsuits yet in the works against the oil industry? Kurovski Aug 2017 #20
Turns out the report wasn't "leaked" it had been online for months... PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #24
Thanks for letting me know about the correction. femmedem Aug 2017 #25

NRaleighLiberal

(59,940 posts)
1. all anyone needs to do is talk to gardeners and farmers (and others of course) - but some of us are
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 11:36 PM
Aug 2017

on the front edge of experiencing how things are changing, and how rapidly

JackintheGreen

(2,036 posts)
4. I wouldn't be so sure
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 12:07 AM
Aug 2017

A colleague of mine just completed a USAG research project on this connected to his PhD in the upper Midwest down into northern Illinois. Using a huge data set comprising large and small farmers...and they (the farmers) just don't see it that way. That's what the data suggests, at any rate.

NRaleighLiberal

(59,940 posts)
5. Wow. I've changed a zone here and disease weather and
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 12:10 AM
Aug 2017

Weed pressures are far more extreme.

I know many who won't admit it. Doesn't fit their belief system

JackintheGreen

(2,036 posts)
7. That's part of it
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 12:15 AM
Aug 2017

A lot of it has to do with memory and lifespan and its collision with belief (or the danger of admitting the evidence). Most of us from farm country remember or have been told stories about bad years. The changes we see now, while quantitatively different, fit the pattern of oral history. It's often easier to believe that things will simply cycle out than to admit that difficult change is required.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,933 posts)
8. Earlier this year, my Dad was reminiscing...
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 12:42 AM
Aug 2017

…no one would ever have planted anything before Memorial Day…


Check out this handy animation: https://www.arborday.org/media/mapchanges.cfm

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
14. I remember when this map came out. I'd love to see a newer one like it...
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 07:24 AM
Aug 2017

We live in an area that on that map is yellow but I know things have changed since than partially because I can now grow some Zone 5 plants up here that I couldn't when we moved into this 'Zone 4' area 12 yrs ago plus we have weeds, birds, etc from warmer zones increasingly moving up into this one.

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
19. Thank you. I was just hoping for a newer animated one.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 01:16 PM
Aug 2017

You can compare and see the differences but seeing the change animated seems to hit home a bit harder IME.

trixie2

(905 posts)
2. The movement of species is something no one talks about
Mon Aug 7, 2017, 11:47 PM
Aug 2017
This link here.

Here is just a snippet:

“Human survival, for urban and rural communities, depends on other life on Earth,” the experts write in their analysis published in the journal Science. “Climate change is impelling a universal redistribution of life on Earth.”

Here is an interesting map.

trixie2

(905 posts)
23. We both posted the same link
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 01:57 PM
Aug 2017


What I meant was, in the general public, even those who are with us on climate change tend to disregard animals and plants and the ramifications that are being observed now.

Nice to see another eco-geek like myself.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,933 posts)
3. Read the Draft of the Climate Change Report
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 12:04 AM
Aug 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/07/climate/document-Draft-of-the-Climate-Science-Special-Report.html
Read the Draft of the Climate Change Report

A draft report by scientists from 13 federal agencies, which has not yet been made public but was obtained by The New York Times, concludes that Americans are feeling the effects of climate change right now. The report was completed this year and is part of the National Climate Assessment, which is congressionally mandated every four years.


SeattleVet

(5,468 posts)
6. Off to the Greatest page with you!
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 12:14 AM
Aug 2017

This massive study needs to be distributed far and wide. Just finished the Summary section, and it is very scary - and extremely well researched.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
10. Good.
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 01:34 AM
Aug 2017

It is a measure of how desperate our situation is that scientists are stepping up like this.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,933 posts)
17. Yeah... I know a number of scientists...
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 01:13 PM
Aug 2017

They’ve been getting more politically active in the past few months…

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
11. When government doesn't work, TG the press does
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 01:43 AM
Aug 2017

I saw that earlier. Beautiful.

I think there was a time the NYT would not have published it without giving the President the opportunity to review and comment. However, in these dangerous times, they have to move fast, before it is too late, blocked or something.

BigmanPigman

(51,432 posts)
12. I just downloaded it. The fake prez is keeping scientific data and research from getting out
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 02:02 AM
Aug 2017

to the public. I am glad this got out already. I noticed that they released it now for fear it will be suppressed by the admin. What fucking country am I living in?! Suppressing scientific data so that his greedy oil soaked buddies can get even richer. I HATE HIM! I HATE THEM!

Our country has to rely on scientists in other countries and their data. No wonder so many are resigning in the various agencies. They have self respect and integrity.

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
20. Are there any lawsuits yet in the works against the oil industry?
Tue Aug 8, 2017, 03:27 PM
Aug 2017

NYC won't get that sea wall built from bake sale revenues.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
24. Turns out the report wasn't "leaked" it had been online for months...
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 05:44 PM
Aug 2017

From: http://thehill.com/homenews/media/345969-white-house-slams-nyt-article-on-suppressed-climate-report-already-made-public

The report was available on the Internet Archive non-profit website at the start of the year, however. It was also available on The National Academies of Sciences Public Access Records Office website, which is accessible to the public.

The Times issued a correction on page A17 of its Wednesday edition.

"An article on Tuesday about a sweeping federal climate change report referred incorrectly to the availability of the report," the paper wrote. "While it was not widely publicized, the report was uploaded by the nonprofit Internet Archive in January; it was not first made public by The New York Times."


femmedem

(8,188 posts)
25. Thanks for letting me know about the correction.
Wed Aug 9, 2017, 09:23 PM
Aug 2017

Embarrassing for the NYT, but it means no one is going to lose their job over it.

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