Environment & Energy
Related: About this forumSorry Human Race, It may be too late to save yourself. --Neil deGrass Tyson
In an interview on CNN's "GPS," Tyson got emotional when Fareed Zakaria asked what he made of Homeland Security Adviser Tom Bossert's refusal to say whether climate change had been a factor in Hurricanes Harvey or Irma's strength -- despite scientific evidence pointing to the fact that it had made the storms more destructive.
"Fifty inches of rain in Houston!" Tyson exclaimed, adding, "This is a shot across our bow, a hurricane the width of Florida going up the center of Florida!"
"What will it take for people to recognize that a community of scientists are learning objective truths about the natural world and that you can benefit from knowing about it?" he said.
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dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)but it is again the rich greedy people who are leading the denial.
They, of course, are also in denial of the end game.
Until it reaches them, all of us will be suffering the changes that are happening.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)The liberal enemy believes in it. Therefore it is untrue.
Full federal financing of campaigns won't change that. They will always follow their moral leaders, people who shout the loudest that a left-wing, communist conspiracy is afoot.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)FACT
iluvtennis
(19,849 posts)cynical_idealist
(360 posts)hedda_foil
(16,372 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)but there are also those in power who really want destruction for religious reasons and there are others in power who have been planning a population culling for generations. If we're looking for the reasons why anti-human decisions are being made, they're all across the board.
Duppers
(28,118 posts)Then why haven't they supported abortion rights and birth control of all types?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)The idea of limiting population has been around since the 18th century. It's gone through stages and few have had any real effect so desparation of the few has been the game since the 1950s.
CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)They want that control.
More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)Like Sarah Palin and other dominionists. According to them, the end of the world has to come (and the Jewish people return to Israel) before everyone can be saved. It's CRAZY. Even without that, how can people who believe that the world is 6000 years old set a proper value on things like oil--- if they think that at the most, it took 6000 years for all the oil in the world to be created?
It drives me insane to realize that stupid people have so much influence in the world.
I loved John Oliver's early show where he had 97 scientists argue against 3 climate change deniers. He's right. The US media tries too hard to present both sides of an issue, even when one side is ignorant and undeniably wrong. Some sides don't DESERVE media coverage.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Add Pence to that list.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Air conditioning only works when the grid works.
The grid works only when people can go outside to maintain the gird.
When temperature + humidity (measured as "wet bulb" temperature) reaches lethal levels nobody can survive outside.
A humans core temperature is about 98.6 degrees, but the skin temperature of the trunk is about 4 to 9 degrees colder, depending on how warm it is and how active a person is. But sweating, which helps keep the core body temperature constant, becomes increasingly ineffective in increasingly humid air, and it can never cool the skin to below the wet-bulb temperature.
A person who is physically active at a wet-bulb temperature of 80 degrees will have trouble maintaining a constant core temperature and risks overheating. A sedentary person who is naked and in the shade will run into the same problem at a wet-bulb temperature of 92 degrees. A wet-bulb temperature of 95 degrees is lethal after about six hours.
(From an older New York Times article)
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Floods of climate refugees will overload those regions that remain habitable.
Chaos will reign supreme, and industrial civilization as we know it will not be possible.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)In Upper Michigan, the climate is projected to be milder winters, warmer summers with longer growing seasons. What you are describing are conditions that may well happen if we don't prepare for the coming changes. Hoping that climate change can be stopped may indeed lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions and the collapse of nations.
NickB79
(19,233 posts)They are composed primarily of thin, rocky, nutrient-poor land, and a longer growing season doesn't change that. They will not become the new Bread Basket of the world.
The fact of the matter is, we won't be able to feed more than a fraction of our population once climate change really takes off in a couple decades. We will be culled.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)it takes far less resources to produce a oz. of protein from meal worms, bee larvae, earth worms and crickets then it does to produce the same from beef.
NickB79
(19,233 posts)Bugs are better than beef for converting plant matter to protein, but the logistics of the farming problem pretty much require a largely vegetarian diet in the future as arable land is drastically decreased. Meat of ANY kind will be a luxury when a couple billion people are climate refugees, migrating from the subtropics.
Kaleva
(36,294 posts)"Today, a third of the planet's food goes to waste enough to feed two billion people. "
http://www.businessinsider.com/food-world-wastes-most-2016-10
We Americans eat far more then we need to now:
"More than 2 in 3 adults (70.2 percent) were considered to be overweight or have obesity"
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity