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Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:17 PM

Nuclear accident sends 'harmless' radioactive cloud over Europe

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/10/nuclear-accident-in-russia-or-kazakhstan-sends-radioactive-cloud-over-europe




Nuclear accident sends 'harmless' radioactive cloud over Europe
French institute says pollution suggests release of nuclear material in Russia or Kazakhstan in September

A cloud of radioactive pollution over Europe in recent weeks indicates that an accident happened in a nuclear facility in Russia or Kazakhstan in the last week of September, the French nuclear safety institute IRSN has said.

The IRSN on Thursday ruled out an accident in a nuclear reactor, saying it was likely to be in a nuclear fuel treatment site or centre for radioactive medicine. There has been no impact on human health or the environment in Europe, it said.

IRSN, the technical arm of French nuclear regulator ASN, said in a statement it could not pinpoint the location of the release of radioactive material but that based on weather patterns, the most plausible zone lay south of the Ural mountains, between the Urals and the Volga river.

This could indicate Russia or possibly Kazakhstan, an IRSN official said.
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“Russian authorities have said they are not aware of an accident on their territory,” IRSN director Jean-Marc Peres told Reuters. He added that the institute had not yet been in contact with Kazakh authorities.

A spokeswoman for the Russian emergencies ministry said she could not immediately comment. It was not immediately possible to reach authorities in Kazakhstan or the Kazakh embassy in Moscow.

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:43 PM

1. Slow And Upbeat EPA Response To Hurricane Harvey Pollution Angers Residents

Juan Flores and his family live in Galena Park, Texas, which is bordered on three sides by pipeline terminals, oil refineries, fertilizer plants and rail yards.

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After all these years, he is accustomed to the rhythms of life among the industrial plants. Strange smells and occasional warnings to shelter in place don't bother him too much. "I live so close to [one] company that I can hear their alarms," he says. "The thing is, you hear it so much you get immune to it, and it's like background noise."

But there are also times when he takes notice. "If I smell something out here, it's bad," he says, "and I can tell you during Harvey, it smelled real bad."

Hurricane Harvey caused industrial facilities in Texas to release an extra 5.98 million pounds of pollution into the air, according to the most recent analysis by the Environmental Defense Fund: the pollutants benzene and toluene, both carcinogens, as well as a brew of other chemicals that can irritate eyes and exacerbate respiratory problems.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/11/13/560476366/slow-and-upbeat-epa-response-to-hurricane-harvey-pollution-angers-residents


Please feel free to ignore me. I have trouble deciding which cult is worse, the anti-nuclear cult, or the economic "productivity" cult that believes solar and wind will magically replace fossil fuels, all you need to do is invest in them! Believe!!!

The only way to quit fossil fuels is to quit fossil fuels. Outlaw them. Sadly, it ain't going to happen, and this world civilization, the first world civilization is going to die a very ugly death, nothing to do with nuclear power, everything to do with fossil fuels and those who believe that maybe fossil fuels are okay so long as they back up their green energy fantasies.


But... Fukushima!!!

No, I'm not apologizing for whatever mess the Russians made.

But I do wonder about people who are willing to fill their own car with gasoline without protective gear (suits, respirators, the whole works...), yet have fits about incidents such as this.

Toxins is toxins, radioactive or not.


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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:18 PM

2. Dangerous fossil fuel plants send extremely harmful toxic and carcinogenic clouds all over...

...every single major city on Earth, continuously and without stop.

They are not harmless, they kill people day and night, day after day, night after night.

But apparently it's not worthy of attention.

Obviously though, this is nowhere near as important as (gasp) radioactivity, since it doesn't matter if tens of millions of people die every five or ten years from stuff that actually kills people as it might be if someone, somewhere at sometime dies from (gasp) something radioacitive.

The mentality that wastes electricity provided by gas and coal to report this stuff is simply unfathomable, unfathomable.

Like people who base their decisions on how to vote on whether one posts the Ten Commandments in a court room, we're completely simple minded about what is important in energy and the environment..

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Wed Nov 15, 2017, 12:56 PM

3. The highest detected level to date was 0.15 Bq/m3

It's ridiculous to place "harmless" in quotes as though there might be some doubt.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 01:10 PM

4. Apparently people in Russia or Kazakhstan don't count in your book. (nt)

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Response to NeoGreen (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:35 PM

5. One of the fun things about anti nukes is their...

...ignorance of what scientific units mean.

If they weren't so ignorant they might be able to calculate the specific activity of the potassium in a banana, but they prefer to use electricity generated with coal and gas to obviate how little they know.

A banana's specific activity is about 15 Beq, or 10 times more radioactive a a cubic meter of the air reported here a a great tragedy.

Antinukism kills people.

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Response to NeoGreen (Original post)

Fri Nov 17, 2017, 12:31 PM

6. kick

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