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Mon Jun 18, 2018, 09:56 PM

The greatest car ever, the car that saved all life on earth, spontaneously ignites.

Tesla spontaneously catches fire with no crash



It's green. It's solar. It's wind turbiney. It's the savior of the common man. We need this car more than life itself. The entire US budget should be devoted to its worship.

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Reply The greatest car ever, the car that saved all life on earth, spontaneously ignites. (Original post)
NNadir Jun 2018 OP
itsrobert Jun 2018 #1
NNadir Jun 2018 #2
itsrobert Jun 2018 #4
Canoe52 Jun 2018 #11
Eko Jun 2018 #3
PubliusEnigma Jun 2018 #5
NNadir Jun 2018 #8
hedda_foil Jun 2018 #6
NNadir Jun 2018 #9
NeoGreen Jun 2018 #10
NNadir Jun 2018 #14
Qutzupalotl Jun 2018 #7
hunter Jun 2018 #12
NNadir Jun 2018 #13
StevieM Jun 2018 #15
NNadir Jun 2018 #17
StevieM Jun 2018 #18
NNadir Jun 2018 #19
StevieM Jun 2018 #20
NNadir Jun 2018 #21
jpak Jun 2018 #16

Response to NNadir (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:01 PM

1. There's billions of dollars of shorts on Tesla

Not saying someone is faking this, but with that much money on the line, foul play is possible.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:10 PM

2. Nothing Tesla ever does in any way is Tesla's fault. It's always some conspiracy somewhere...

...you know, "fake news."

It's the best car ever. It is going to save the world!!!!!!!!!!

Critics are all just trying to stop the world's greatest ever environmental discovery from realizing its potential.

Elon Musk is a kind of God and we're moving from the Holy Trinity to the Blessed Quad.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:20 PM

4. Hmmm

Funny, I don't see you posting on all other car models catching on fire or in accidents. hmmm

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Response to NNadir (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 02:26 PM

11. First time i've read that Musk is a kind of god, where is that from?

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2018, 10:10 PM

3. Awwwwwww

Not building nuclear cars must hurt your fee fees.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2018, 11:22 PM

5. If only it ran on radioactive fuel, you would love it.

Where is my Mr. Fission?!?

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Response to PubliusEnigma (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 01:51 AM

8. If the air pollution that kills seven million people per year was radioactive, you'd give a shit.

It turns out that the only thing that people give a shit about is radioactivity, which is amazing.

The planet's atmosphere contains nearly 412 ppm of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide, the seas are rising, violent weather's taking place, and we have very, very, very, very, witty and amused people with wedgies over the fact that Elon Musk's car for billionaires and millionaires is the best thing in the world.

Oh yes, and, radioactivity is the end of the world. All of the radiation leaks on this planet have wiped it out which is why no one is left to drive the stupid ass fucking piece of shit car that collected subsidies on a planet where 800,000 people per year, most of them children, die from diseases connected to a lack of basic sanitation.

Comments on that fact never draw as much attention as comments about the stupid fucking car for millionaires and billionaires. (Liberalism seems to have changed in its meaning while I grew old.)

This post is precisely designed to draw out the worst aspects of this mentality, and apparently did so quite nicely. (Thanks!)

Oh, and sorry, I am never, ever going to "love" a car whether powered by clean nuclear energy or dirty coal and gas with a picture of a wind turbine on its marketing material.

I'm an environmentalist, not a person given to paeans to consumer junk. The car CULTure is not sustainable, and the people who try putting band aids on it are clueless and are robbing future generations.

Have a wonderful day tomorrow.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 12:20 AM

6. How ever did I know who wrote that without looking? I just be psychic or something.

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 01:51 AM

9. I'm consistent and unashamed of being so. n/t

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 12:52 PM

10. IKR?...

...next we'll get an updated version of this:

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Response to NeoGreen (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 06:04 PM

14. If there's one thing that consistent about anti nukes...

...it's that they get their knowledge of science from comic books and cartoons.

This explains the mindless approach to climate change and the vast death toll associated with air pollution.

Of course I would not wish to insult 7th graders by comparing them to antinukes. I've known some fairly intelligent and well educated 7th graders.

Thanks though for validating my impression.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 05:36 PM

12. I want one of these Gigafactory Powerwalls in my house!



To be fair to Tesla, occasionally fossil fuel cars spontaneously combust too.

We could argue that gasoline is one of the most dangerous substances ordinary consumers commonly handle.


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Response to hunter (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 05:57 PM

13. Yes, but gasoline in many places on earth has...

...a lower external cost.

I'm not sure though whether all the fires on the Tesla paint lines are included.

In order to compare the risk of gasoline to batteries one needs to be aware of the comparative volume is use.

I'm actually not fond of distributed hazardous materials where a safer centralized alternative exists.

It's why I oppose for just one example cadmium laced solar cells.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 07:13 PM

15. I know you don't like cars, and are skeptical of electric cars, but you should check out

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Response to StevieM (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 08:47 PM

17. It's not actually a battery per se; it's a fuel cell.

Commercial examples of fuel cells exist, although most use hydrogen or high temperature reforming.

They're sort of a holy grail. There are tons of types of fuel cells, including many that utilize DME. A problem with many is that the performance of their catalysts do not stand up to CO2, although I'm not familiar with the details of this one.

They won't make cars any less terrible though.

The destruction of the Mississippi Delta's ecosystem is very much tied to "green" and "renewable" corn ethanol production in Iowa.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 09:04 PM

18. I just don't see how it is realistic to expect cars to go away anytime soon.

Even if you think they should, they won't. Most Americans own cars, and in rural areas many people have never taken public transportation. And they have long drives to work.

Even if our transportation system was totally transformed in 100 years we still need to do something about the carbon emissions in the mean time.

It seems like many people want to be able to fuel up, rather than wait for a car to recharge. This idea, a flow battery, seems to allow for that. And DME fuel would as well.

I enjoy your posts about the advantages and potential of DME. But I don't know how much it costs. That is a large part of what determines whether our society will make the switch. How much do you envision DME, produced through the thermochemical process you favor, will cost? For example, how would it stack up to natural gas used for space and water heating? How would it stack up to oil that is used for industry and manufacturing? Finally, how would it compare to diesel fuel, or gasoline, per gallon?

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Response to StevieM (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 20, 2018, 04:31 AM

19. Realistically we've learned to live without the Mississippi Delta, and realistically I suppose we...

...can learn to live without our atmosphere.

My feeling about cars is not based on what Americans want. I'm quite sure they want cars.

So do Chinese apparently. I've heard from my Chinese friends that traffic is terrible in Beijing, for example.

My unrealistic assumption that we will have no choice but to do away with cars is based on physics, not desire.

When I lived in California, I came to understand that the State Legislature wanted to do away with the 2nd law of Thermodynamics "by 2000" - this was back in the 1980's. I'm used to "by such and such a date" rhetoric, and am now old enough to see the consequences of shifting things to future generations. It's the source of some of my ridicule which many people find unpleasant.

The Chinese want cars; the Indians want cars, the French want to keep their cars as do the Germans, the Spanish, the Canadians...

The per capita consumption of energy in the United States corresponds in terms of average continuous power - more familiar than units of joules to most people - works out to about 10,000 Watts, about ten times as large as the average Chinese the last time I looked, which may have been a few years back, since I last did the calculation. The per capita power consumption of the average citizen of the planet is on the order of 2500 watts, about 1/4 of an American.

We have a racist President who is now in the process of normalizing Auschwitz type behavior with respect to Children. I'm not sure how long the world will tolerate the exceptional treatment given to Americans, but Americans may find out some new things in the next ten years or so. I don't know, but we may find out that Americans will not always get what they want.

If everyone on the planet lived like Americans do today, and many people want to do so, we'd be talking in terms of zetajoules, not exajoules of annual energy consumption. We're consuming on this planet, as of 2016 according to the WEO figures, 576 exajoules. If everyone was an American, we'd be at over 2500 exajoules.

Everybody wants that apparently, and although I'm very much a voice in the (shrinking) wilderness, I don't.

The more we consume now, the more impoverished our children and grandchildren will be.

Whenever I think about "cost" - money trumps everything apparently - I include "external costs," the costs to the environment and the future of humanity and all living things. I personally believe that if we included the external cost of gasoline it might be well over $10.00/gallon.

Current Americans are definitely not willing to pay for the future. They are a people who rip children from their parents and lose them to clearly incompetent corrupt bureaucrats. They hate children. Everything they do says as much. They apparently hate their own children as much as they hate latin children when you consider what they're leaving to future generations because they love cars.

DME is a wonder fuel. I believe, although I'm certainly not competent to be certain, that it might make certain kinds of what might be "essential" self propelled vehicles. The cost of having a DME powered world would be the cost of building new infrastructure; the cost of having clean DME would be the cost of building new nuclear infrastructure. To do this, we'd have to love our children and be willing to pay for them, as my parents were willing to pay for me.

I don't think we are. We clearly hate children more than ever, and love our cars more than ever as well. (I never get as much interest in my writings as when I attack the idiotic and obscene Tesla car.)

What that's worth in dollars and cents immediately, loving our children more than our cars, I cannot say. Many years ago I commented elsewhere on the difference between "want" and "need."

Should Nuclear Energy Be a Panacea? (The links can be more readily be seen at the Daily Kos version; on this version you have to move the cursor over the text to see them, but I like this version better because of the painting.)

As for the external cost free cost of DME...

You may be able to find out about what you may consider more "realistic" costs of DME by perusing the website of the International DME Association.

Unlike me, they may think it's OK to make DME from gas and coal. I don't agree.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 20, 2018, 11:16 AM

20. I'm sorry if I offended you by using the word "realistic." That wasn't my intention.

I was simply trying to point out that it seems unlikely that our society will suddenly stop using them. And until we do I would like to find ways of reducing our carbon footprint.

I hope it is still OK to ask you questions on the subjects you know so much about. I have always appreciated your willingness to share your scientific knowledge.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 20, 2018, 01:31 PM

21. I'm not offended at all. I was simply being emotional. I can't sleep at night thinking about...

...these children and I don't know...trying to think about cars makes me feel even worse.

I do see cars as a crime against future generations, but in reality it's even worse to be seeing this hostility to children live.

This is horrible, absolutely horrible, to be happening in my country.

You can ask me a science question any time you want. I am pleased to answer them. Your questions are intelligent and I appreciate this much.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2018, 07:20 PM

16. No nuclear powered cars have EVER spontaneously ignited - LOL

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