Environment & Energy
Related: About this forumTHE COLORADO RIVER IS IN CRISIS, AND IT'S GETTING WORSE EVERY DAY
The Colorado River is in crisis one deepening by the day.
It is a powerhouse: a 1,450-mile waterway that stretches from the Rocky Mountains to the Sea of Cortez, serving 40 million people in seven U.S. states, 30 federally recognized tribes and Mexico. It hydrates 5 million acres of agricultural land and provides critical habitat for rare fish, birds and plants.
But the Colorados water was overpromised when it was first allocated a century ago. Demand in the fast-growing Southwest exceeds supply, and it is growing even as supply drops amid a climate change-driven megadrought and rising temperatures.
States and cities are now scrambling to forestall the gravest impacts to growth, farming, drinking water and electricity, while also aiming to protect their own interests.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2022/colorado-river-crisis/
VMA131Marine
(4,138 posts)Basically all the competing interests insist that its the others who need to conserve.
Prof. Toru Tanaka
(1,952 posts)Selfishness and greed that leads to short-sightedness and waste.
jimfields33
(15,769 posts)Prof. Toru Tanaka
(1,952 posts)And even with Hoover and Glen Canyon dams, the desert is fragile and can only support so many people. The scales are being tipped in the Southwest due to population and water use.
elleng
(130,865 posts)Anon-C
(3,430 posts)hunter
(38,310 posts)... but you have to actually build stuff to make it happen.
It doesn't happen by magic.
Arizona cities won't dry up and blow away any time soon but agriculture will. The "Pray for Rain" mentality of some Arizona and California farmers won't save their farms. Praying for drought relief welfare might work. Politicians can control that.
I'd rather pay farmers to restore their land to a somewhat natural state, removing it from production permanently.
For some irrational reason U.S. Americans think subsidizing unsustainable farming practices is a good thing. That only kicks the can down the road.
Assuming you are serious and not sarcastic...
Anon-C
(3,430 posts)...pipe in pacific water to the Sonoran, Imperial deserts and the Colorado River using renewable energy and desalination upstream where the need for water and absence of coastal NIMBYISM may permit it.
hunter
(38,310 posts)It's more likely Arizona will pay for desalinization plants on the California coast in exchange for a greater share of California's Colorado River water.
Desalinization plants in California will be a hard sell, but desalinization plants in Mexico will be harder.
California is entitled to about 59% of the Colorado River's flow in its lower basin, Arizona about 37%, and Nevada about 4%. Mexico is supposed to get about 10%, which all adds up to 110%... and that's the root of the political problem. Mexico's small share comes in last, and all this was negotiated when the U.S.A. regarded Mexico as an inferior political power, which many in the U.S.A. still do, especially in places like Arizona and Texas where major politicians regularly scapegoat Mexico and Mexican immigrants.
I suspect an Arizona desperate for water could probably build and supply power to a desalinization plant serving the Tijuana and San Diego metropolitan areas in exchange for some of California's share of Colorado River water. That would probably be an easier sell than Arizona Governor Doug Ducey's proposal to build desalinization plants entirely in Mexico in exchange for Mexico's share of the Colorado River.
Before any of this happens Arizona cities are going to buy out, or take by eminent domain, the water rights of Arizona farmers. A more underhanded way to do this is to lower water tables to such an extent that farmers can't afford deeper wells or the groundwater basin collapses entirely.
The most rational approach to this problem, of course, would be to limit growth and establish fully cooperative water supply ventures with Mexico as water flows in the Colorado River decrease.
Anon-C
(3,430 posts)So much for bioregional approaches.
mahina
(17,643 posts)Its not a particularly palatable sell to the people but w wont have a choice pretty soon
California too, Hawaii too. That can be done more efficiently then desalination and it doesnt taste really bad at all no I will miss our clean Hawaiian wai.
mopinko
(70,077 posts)and let people divert their own grey water for gardens.
hunter
(38,310 posts)It's also turning sewage back into potable water.
I don't have to feel bad about water that goes down the drain.
California allows some greywater systems without a permit.
https://greywateraction.org/requirements-for-no-permit-systems-in-california/
As so-called toilet-to-tapwater systems become more common in the arid West it's likely farmers will be cut out of the loop. I'm not sure how I feel about that, especially when it comes to new suburban development. I hate seeing open space being turned into McMansions, chain restaurants, and Big Box stores.
PortTack
(32,754 posts)Not sure where they think the water is going to come from.
drmeow
(5,017 posts)and as much as I miss it, between the water and the Trump insanity, I'm glad I got out of Arizona a few years ago!
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LaMouffette
(2,023 posts)so that's a good thing, but even so, it seems like such a waste.
I wonder, when they start restricting water use for ordinary citizens in AZ, if they will also restrict water usage on the hundreds of golf courses in the state.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)and 1000 years ago the indigenous peoples packed up and moved. Drought. And there weren't nearly as many of them as there are of us and they didn't have water coming out of every spigot. The growth in the Southwest is unsustainable, and it's growing by leaps and bounds.
We went into April with a normal snowpack but the unrelenting wind ate that right up.
Permanut
(5,602 posts)The Virginia GQP has announced that since CO2 is not a pollutant, then there is no climate crisis.
I guess that settles it.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)and AZ has been one of the most profligate abusers of both that river and its own groundwater. Most people in that state are stoked up on a mishmash of libertarian horseshit and rugged individualism and have prevented any common sense regulation of development or agriculture. Subsidence is starting to cost them a lot for that.
Mountain Mule
(1,002 posts)I grew up in the Southwest and the skyrocketing population growth out here never ceases to amaze me. I would never move to Arizona or Nevada or Colorado if I was in the market for a home right now. The costs of housing have gone up by something like a jillion percent and there is simply no way that there will be enough water to sustain all this new growth. Don 't people check out what's happening in a place they are thinking of moving to anymore?
I used to think that I was old enough that it was unlikely that I would be impacted by any sudden big time water crisis. Now I'm not so sure. I can see being forced to move out of the Southwest in as little as ten years from now. Spooky stuff.