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progree

(10,901 posts)
Sat May 21, 2022, 09:20 PM May 2022

Palisades nuclear power plant shuts down early despite Michigan's push to keep open

Palisades nuclear power plant shuts down early despite state's push to keep open, WWMT Grand Rapids/Lansing, 5/20/22

Palisades Power Plant permanently shutdown Friday, 11 days ahead of schedule, according to the plant's operator, Entergy. The plant was expected to close May 31, but shutdown early due to the performance of a control rod drive seal, according to a Palisades Power Plant representative.

... On April 20, a month before Friday's early shutdown, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer announced a new effort to keep Palisades open until 2031.

"Keeping Palisades open is a top priority," Whitmer said, in a letter to Jennifer Granholm, U.S. Department of Energy Secretary, and former Michigan governor.

Whitmer's letter urged Granholm to allocate money from the Civil Nuclear Credit to Palisades.

The $6 billion dollar program was created in November through the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.

A bit more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/palisades-nuclear-power-plant-shuts-down-early-despite-state-s-push-to-keep-open/ar-AAXxCja?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=f9baa09fe26b4723a94a586a18a6ad80


It's a single 800 MW unit. Another article on the Palisades closure:

The U.S., Struggling To Curb Emissions, Just Lost Another Nuclear Power Plant, HuffPost, 5/20/22

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-u-s-struggling-to-curb-emissions-just-lost-another-nuclear-power-plant/ar-AAXxWZc?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=f9baa09fe26b4723a94a586a18a6ad80

In blow to Biden climate goals, Entergy shuts nuclear power plant, Reuters, 5/20/22
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newsus/in-blow-to-biden-climate-goals-entergy-shuts-nuclear-power-plant/ar-AAXxxn3?ocid=uxbndlbing

Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palisades_Nuclear_Generating_Station
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Palisades nuclear power plant shuts down early despite Michigan's push to keep open (Original Post) progree May 2022 OP
You can't just keep them going with bailing wire and duct tape Blues Heron May 2022 #1
Oh please Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #2
sure it is - now they can upgrade to one of the new safe ones I keep hearing about. Blues Heron May 2022 #3
Okay well if there are tangible/approved plans to do so in this case, I wasn't aware ... Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #4
Bullshit. NNadir May 2022 #5
right but the next Fukushima could be right here somewhere Blues Heron May 2022 #6
Bullshit. NNadir May 2022 #7
I think the idea is that they evacuated the people so they would not die of radiation Blues Heron May 2022 #8

Blues Heron

(5,931 posts)
1. You can't just keep them going with bailing wire and duct tape
Sat May 21, 2022, 09:26 PM
May 2022

Any one of these aging nukes could be the next Chernobyl/Fukushima/TMI - which one will blow next?

Blues Heron

(5,931 posts)
3. sure it is - now they can upgrade to one of the new safe ones I keep hearing about.
Sat May 21, 2022, 10:04 PM
May 2022

the dangerous old ones are not getting any younger. How many bad control rod drive seals around the country are not being detected?

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
4. Okay well if there are tangible/approved plans to do so in this case, I wasn't aware ...
Sat May 21, 2022, 10:24 PM
May 2022

Please enlighten me on those?

Or do I just need to read the whole article? I admit I did not.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
5. Bullshit.
Sun May 22, 2022, 05:02 PM
May 2022

How about the next 20 ppm of carbon dioxide in a decade?

How about the next 70 million people to die from air pollution while we whine about Fukushima.

If we gave as much of a shit about the 19,000 people killed every damned day by air pollution, we wouldn't have insane fetishes about Fukushima.


Blues Heron

(5,931 posts)
6. right but the next Fukushima could be right here somewhere
Sun May 22, 2022, 05:33 PM
May 2022

that is no joke - we dodged a bullet with TMI-

dont forget all the cracked fuel rods at Maine Yankee- what kind of crud was coming out of that thing? These things leak, they blow, and they are capable of rendering vast acerages off limits to human habitation basically forever. The Chernobyl exclusion zone is 1000 square miles that we have basically ruined for the future.

We have had three meltdowns in 40 years - one every thirteen years. We are due for another one at that rate real soon... its been eleven years since Fukushima - the clock is ticking...

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
7. Bullshit.
Sun May 22, 2022, 07:01 PM
May 2022

All of these things listed didn't kill a single person from radiation.

Cracked fuel rods? Am I supposed to take this seriously?

The fetish that fear of anyone anywhere dying from radiation is worth between six and seven million people dying from air pollution in a rational world would be criminally insane.

I note, with a fair amount of moral disgust that roughly 20,000 people died at the Fukushima event from seawater, and that it is reported that the number of people killed by radiation in the event was either zero or close to zero.

Which one gets more attention?

Here's a ticking clock that would matter in an ethical world: About 700 to 800 people die from air pollution every hour. This data can be calculated from the data found here:

Global burden of 87 risk factors in 204 countries and territories, 1990–2019: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2019 (Lancet Volume 396, Issue 10258, 17–23 October 2020, Pages 1223-1249).

This study is a huge undertaking and the list of authors from around the world is rather long. These studies are always open sourced; and I invite people who want to carry on about Fukushima to open it and search the word "radiation." It appears once. Radon, a side product brought to the surface by fracking while we all wait for the grand so called "renewable energy" nirvana that did not come, is not here and won't come, appears however: Household radon, from the decay of natural uranium, which has been cycling through the environment ever since oxygen appeared in the Earth's atmosphere.

Here is what it says about air pollution deaths in the 2019 Global Burden of Disease Survey, if one is too busy to open it oneself because one is too busy carrying on about Fukushima:

The top five risks for attributable deaths for females were high SBP (5·25 million [95% UI 4·49–6·00] deaths, or 20·3% [17·5–22·9] of all female deaths in 2019), dietary risks (3·48 million [2·78–4·37] deaths, or 13·5% [10·8–16·7] of all female deaths in 2019), high FPG (3·09 million [2·40–3·98] deaths, or 11·9% [9·4–15·3] of all female deaths in 2019), air pollution (2·92 million [2·53–3·33] deaths or 11·3% [10·0–12·6] of all female deaths in 2019), and high BMI (2·54 million [1·68–3·56] deaths or 9·8% [6·5–13·7] of all female deaths in 2019). For males, the top five risks differed slightly. In 2019, the leading Level 2 risk factor for attributable deaths globally in males was tobacco (smoked, second-hand, and chewing), which accounted for 6·56 million (95% UI 6·02–7·10) deaths (21·4% [20·5–22·3] of all male deaths in 2019), followed by high SBP, which accounted for 5·60 million (4·90–6·29) deaths (18·2% [16·2–20·1] of all male deaths in 2019). The third largest Level 2 risk factor for attributable deaths among males in 2019 was dietary risks (4·47 million [3·65–5·45] deaths, or 14·6% [12·0–17·6] of all male deaths in 2019) followed by air pollution (ambient particulate matter and ambient ozone pollution, accounting for 3·75 million [3·31–4·24] deaths (12·2% [11·0–13·4] of all male deaths in 2019), and then high FPG (3·14 million [2·70–4·34] deaths, or 11·1% [8·9–14·1] of all male deaths in 2019).


I invite anyone reading this open sourced paper to find reference to the radiation release from the Fukushima reactors to find where this comprehensive document in one of the world's most prominent medical journals to find reference to it.

But they really, really, really, really want to carry on about Fukushima, the big boogie man that outweighs climate change, air pollution deaths, deaths from petroleum accidents and petroleum leaks and everything else.

I drive through Harrisburg PA regularly. It's still there. People are living healthy normal and productive lives in that city.

But we should allow millions of people to die every year because we don't use nuclear power because we have our heads up our ass about Three Mile Island?

President Carter is among roughly 350,000 "liquidators" involved in nuclear reactor "clean ups."

Jimmy Carter walked through the reactor during the meltdown, much to the chagrin of the Secret Service. Dead or alive?

Lancet published the following article in 2015: Michael R Reich, Aya Goto, Towards long-term responses in Fukushima, The Lancet, Volume 386, Issue 9992, 2015, Pages 498-500.

I quote:

Putting Hiroshima and Nagasaki side by side with Fukushima, as done in this issue of The Lancet, seems inappropriate in major respects. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were intentional governmental acts of war, whereas Fukushima was accidental and negligent industrial behaviour in time of peace. They share exposure to radiation—but at vastly different levels and in different forms.2 In Fukushima, no one has died from radiation exposure, and the UN Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation report3 in 2013 stated that substantial changes in future cancer statistics attributed to radiation exposure are not expected to be observed, although the committee also noted “a theoretical increased risk of thyroid cancer among most exposed children” and recommended they be “closely followed”.4


Which part of the bolded, italicized, and underlined text I have highlighted justifies 750 deaths per hour from air pollution?

It appears that even feral pigs that root in radio contaminated soil in the Fukushima area are OK:

Donovan Anderson, Shingo Kaneko, Amber Harshman, Kei Okuda, Toshihito Takagi, Sarah Chinn, James C. Beasley, Kenji Nanba, Hiroko Ishiniwa, Thomas G. Hinton, Radiocesium accumulation and germline mutations in chronically exposed wild boar from Fukushima, with radiation doses to human consumers of contaminated meat, Environmental Pollution, Volume 306, 2022, 119359.

The article is completely open sourced, but I'll excerpt it for convenience.


3.3. Genetic variation of wild boar before and after FDNPP accident

No differences in allelic variation of all loci were observed from the period prior to, and after, the FDNPP accident (Table S1). Average values of allelic richness were 3.54 for the putative population from the period prior to 2011 and 3.53 for the population from the period after 2011...

...Although the most contaminated animals within this study were living in areas in which radiation levels were greater than what is allowed for human occupancy, our study indicated a lack of effect due to radiation as measured by mutation frequencies. Because wild boar residing in contaminated areas nearby the FDNPP received dose rates as high as 320 mGy yr?1, and those doses would have been higher immediately after the accident, we anticipated an increase in mutation frequencies. However, a comprehensive microsatellite analysis indicated the number of alleles in the wild boar population did not increase in this area following the FDNPP accident (Table S1)...


This is past the point of argument. It is a fact that the fear of radiation actually kills more people than radiation itself, because people accept the cloture of nuclear power plants out of fear. The reactor in Michigan will be replaced by fossil fuels. Given that people have been dying all over the world from extreme heat this week, not in some postulated future, and that close to 80 million people have died from air pollution in the eleven years people have been whining about Fukushima as if, on scale, it mattered, I cannot see how the closure of the nuclear plant can be ethically justfied.

Nuclear energy doesn't need to be without risk to be vastly superior to all other forms of energy. It only needs to be vastly superior to all other forms of energy. In a rational world the selective attention paid to nuclear risks would be criminally insane. Regrettably we do not live in a rational world.

Nuclear energy saves lives.

Prevented Mortality and Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Historical and Projected Nuclear Power (Pushker A. Kharecha* and James E. Hansen Environ. Sci. Technol., 2013, 47 (9), pp 4889–4895)

It follows that the fear of nuclear energy costs lives.

Have a pleasant workweek.

Blues Heron

(5,931 posts)
8. I think the idea is that they evacuated the people so they would not die of radiation
Sun May 22, 2022, 07:14 PM
May 2022

thats why its now off limits to human habitation. Same with Chernobyl - you cant live there anymore - ask those Russian soldiers how that little red forest camping trip worked out for them.

Thanks for posting this info, I will check it out. Also - isnt this closure an opportunity to put the new safe ones in? This could be a good upgrade time here.




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