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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:46 PM Jun 2013

The Carbon Value of San Onofre to the California Grid is Minimal.

There have been a steady stream of overtly false claims related to the carbon costs of San Onofre's closing. Here is a comprehensive explanation of what is going on from the NRDC.

The next time you read one of the false claims by nuclear industry shills about importing coal fired electricity or replacing SO watt for watt with natural gas, just remember that the information from the NRDC isn't secret. If these so-call analysts wanted to be truthful, it would be no more difficult to find accurate information than it was for them to produce the lies they're putting out.

Without SONGS, California still has more than enough capacity to meet their needs:

In order to keep the lights on, the ISO needs to have more generation available than consumers are expected to use. This is known as a “reserve margin,” and the California Public Utilities Commission requires the utilities to plan for a 15% cushion. And the state already has more power plants than we need to pass that test. This summer, the ISO expects to easily exceed that margin under normal conditions, and to still avoid rolling blackouts even under extreme conditions (like if a lot of power plants go down unexpectedly at the same time customers’ demand is unusually high).




Source: ISO (Note: SP 26 and NP 26 are roughly Southern and Northern California, respectively)


As you can see the problem presented by the shutdown isn't having enough capacity to meet demand.

So why, in 2012 when SO shut down, did they need to pull 2 retired natgas generators (450MW) out of retirement in nearby Huntington Beach?

Blame it on a grid designed around centralized generation. The gaping hole in the system left by the shutdown of a large centralized source of generation causes a lot of problems besides the loss of ability to meet demand.
...the grid needs the “voltage support” SONGS used to provide.

Since a major part of the Southern California electric grid was built around SONGS, it is a lot harder for the transmission grid to remain stable without the plant operating and providing that voltage support. This all gets very technical fast, but the important thing to know is that there are different ways to provide voltage support (and they don’t all require burning fossil fuels at a power plant). So even though one might expect the state to fill the hole left by SONGS with more dirty power plants, this year the state is taking a better and cleaner approach.



So what happens now?
...(Huntington Beach - k) is instead being converted into “synchronous condensers,” which provide voltage support without onsite emissions. (The synchronous condensers operate like electric motors and use a small amount of energy from the grid in the process.) Other emissions-free efforts to fill the hole left by SONGS include installation of capacitors and upgrades to a local transmission line so that if the line has a problem, only part of it goes down instead of the whole thing.

<snip>

The Public Utilities Commission should continue to build on the great start made this year by requiring utilities to fill the gap with efficient and clean resources by:
making the electric grid more resilient through transmission system upgrades;
adding renewable resources in different geographic regions to take advantage of the different times when they’re available; and
avoiding new generation through more aggressive efforts to help customers:
improve the efficiency of their homes and businesses;
reduce consumption during costly “peak” periods; and
use clean on-site generation like solar panels.



Information courtesy of the wonderful folks at the Natural Resources Defense Council.
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/dwang/replacing_songs.html


ETA:
With the large scale "hole" in the grid created by the unexpected shutdown of SO, the general basics of California's grid are worth looking at again.

While the local nuclear acolytes will automatically say coal is going to be the main replacement, that is highly unlikely. The same goes for the insane predictions that natural gas will replace it. Due to a 2006 law forbidding municipal and investor owned utilities from signing new contracts for out of state coal, California's energy mix is only 8% coal (3% in state 5% imported) and that number is set to decline as LA has passed a law to phase out coal completely by 2025 (they currently get 44% of their power from coal). And while the mix is 35% natural gas, the state mandates at least 33% renewables by 2020 and they still need significant capacity to meet that goal.

The worst aspect will be some natural gas, but the RPS mandate of 33% renewables will weigh heavily in investment decision-making.

This is shows the trends fairly well:
Total System Power for 2011: Changes from 2010
In 2011, Total System Power for California was marginally higher by half of a percent from 2010. The two primary reasons are the ongoing recession and continued mild temperatures. The effects of the recession resulted in a peak demand that was 5 percent less than the forecast. As for temperatures, they were lower than normal during the spring, near normal temperatures during the summer, and above normal temperatures during both the fall and winter.1 By design, California's electric generation system delivers electricity quickly to match peak air conditioning load conditions in the summer.

In-state generation declined by 2.4 percent in 2011 however net imports from the Northwest and Southwest combined made up for the difference. In particular, energy imports from the Northwest in 2011 increased by 42.7 percent due primarily to an increase in hydroelectric generation resulting from higher precipitation in the Northwest. Between March and May 2011, Oregon and Washington experienced their wettest periods in the last 116 and 117 years respectively.2

With the conversion of Mt. Poso Cogeneration coal facility to a biomass plant complete, the in-state coal category showed a slight decline from 2010. Mt. Poso Cogeneration is about 10 miles north of Bakersfield.

Large hydroelectric generation, a category based on nameplate capacity of 30 megawatts (MW) and larger, showed a significant increase of 24.8% for in-state generation. This coincides with California experiencing one of its wettest years. After three relatively dry years, statewide precipitation during the 2010 Water Year (ending September 30, 2010) was 105% of average. Precipitation during the 2011 Water Year (ending September 30, 2011) was 135% of average, and runoff was 146% of average. Though January 2011 was remarkably dry, the months of March and May were extremely wet with peak snowmelt in early July. As a result, in-state hydroelectric generation in 2011 was 127% of average compared to 101% in 2010.

Generally, when snowmelt and runoff is plentiful, California's hydroelectricity is less expensive to purchase than electricity generated by plants using natural gas-fired generation. Therefore, usage of natural gas-fired generation is reduced ("displaced&quot . This is especially so during the spring and fall months and during off-peak summer hours (afternoon and early evening hours). Wind generation increased in 2011 reflecting the continued siting of new wind projects in the state. Solar also saw some increase as commercial-scale systems came online in 2011.

Reporting requirements for Total System Power are limited to projects rated at 1MW and larger. Because most solar photovoltaic (PV) systems on residential households and businesses are less than 1 MW, data on them is not collected. As more installations of solar PV and other "behind the meter" distributed generation technologies take place, consumption of power delivered by utilities will continue to decrease. Whether to exclude these smaller systems from the Total System Power summary may need addressing in future, if the aggregate capacity and energy of such small systems becomes a significant portion of the state's generation mixture.

1 http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/2011/13
2 http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/2011/13



More at http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/electricity/total_system_power.html

See also
Los Angeles Bans Coal Power
Coal Free by 2025


By Jon Carter
Friday, March 22nd, 2013
http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/los-angeles-bans-coal-power/3209
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The Carbon Value of San Onofre to the California Grid is Minimal. (Original Post) kristopher Jun 2013 OP
Well, well. Thank you for that. Gregorian Jun 2013 #1
Here's the wiki entry on synchronous condensers kristopher Jun 2013 #2
That's what I thought. But I didn't know the details. Gregorian Jun 2013 #3
Synching to the grid can be exciting. kristopher Jun 2013 #5
I've heard of generators breaking engine mounts and flopping over. Gregorian Jun 2013 #6
I was thinking more along the lines of... kristopher Jun 2013 #10
Some might find this helpful also kristopher Jun 2013 #4
Thanks! AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #7
You're welcome - but they keep coming back no matter what. nt kristopher Jul 2013 #11
SO's closing seems to have induced a state of panic among nuclear deniers wtmusic Jun 2013 #8
They added the capacity when the trend in thinking was that SO would reopen? kristopher Jun 2013 #9
You lost me at 'carbon free'. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #12

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
1. Well, well. Thank you for that.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:59 PM
Jun 2013

Am I wrong about this- that the Huntington Beach is being used for power factor correction? Without googling, I have no idea what synchronous condensers means.

Thanks for the info.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
2. Here's the wiki entry on synchronous condensers
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:08 PM
Jun 2013
Synchronous condenser
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In electrical engineering, a synchronous condenser (sometimes called a synchronous capacitor or synchronous compensator) is a device identical to a synchronous motor, whose shaft is not connected to anything but spins freely.[1] Its purpose is not to convert electric power to mechanical power or vice versa, but to adjust conditions on the electric power transmission grid. Its field is controlled by a voltage regulator to either generate or absorb reactive power as needed to adjust the grid's voltage, or to improve power factor. The condenser’s installation and operation are identical to large electric motors.

Increasing the device's field excitation results in its furnishing reactive power (vars) to the system. Its principal advantage is the ease with which the amount of correction can be adjusted. The kinetic energy stored in the rotor of the machine can help stabilize a power system during short circuits or rapidly fluctuating loads such as electric arc furnaces. Large installations of synchronous condensers are sometimes used in association with high-voltage direct current converter stations to supply reactive power to the alternating current grid.

Unlike a capacitor bank, the amount of reactive power from a synchronous condenser can be continuously adjusted. Reactive power from a capacitor bank decreases when grid voltage decreases, while a synchronous condenser can increase reactive current as voltage decreases. However, synchronous machines have higher energy losses than static capacitor banks.[1] Most synchronous condensers connected to electrical grids are rated between 20 Mvar(Megavars) and 200 Mvar and many are hydrogen cooled.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_condenser



Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
3. That's what I thought. But I didn't know the details.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:16 PM
Jun 2013

Thanks for googling that for me! Haha.

The grid is a pretty mysterious thing. I have a friend who plays with the generation at the Marin water treatment facility. Synching to the grid can be exciting.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
5. Synching to the grid can be exciting.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 12:18 AM
Jun 2013

If you think that's exciting, wait until you see what happens when you fail to synchronize everything.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
10. I was thinking more along the lines of...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:53 PM
Jun 2013

...this.

Northeast blackout of 2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_2003

In this case the cause was a power line going down and not a generator, but this type of cascade failure can potentially follow any localized disruption.

Ooops.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
8. SO's closing seems to have induced a state of panic among nuclear deniers
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jun 2013

which I suppose is predictable. But when their argument is a piece of shit, they think people aren't going to notice when they attempt to bury it with more. The Marc Jacobsen Renewables Jesus "If only 184 miracles fell into place at the same time" playbook.

The math is not complicated - it's exceedingly simple. That's what drives nucleophobes crazy, and why they have to resort to complicated theories of synchronous condensers and snowmelt and behind the meter generation:

"The San Onofre station, located near population hubs San Diego and Los Angeles, supplied about one-tenth of the state’s electricity needs, generating carbon-free electricity to the equivalent of 2.3 million homes each year. Meeting the same demand with natural gas, which emits roughly 1.12 lbs of CO2 per kWh, would generate an additional 17.7 billion lbs, or 8 million metric tons, of CO2.

In preparation for the closure, California’s grid operator (CAISO) added 2,502 megawatts (MW) of generating capacity in June, with 891 MW coming online this month. The majority of this new capacity has been gas-fired power plants. Solar and wind have contributed to the added capacity, but to a much smaller degree."

http://thebreakthrough.org/index.php/programs/energy-and-climate/san-onofre-nuclear-closure-to-boost-state-carbon-emissions-by-8-million-tons/

1.6 million cars, kristopher. All your layers of nonsense can't smother the stench of nuclear deniers' huge environmental turd.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
9. They added the capacity when the trend in thinking was that SO would reopen?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 04:41 PM
Jun 2013

It wasn't until Boxer called for a Justice dept investigation based on the court ordered release of letters impeaching the actions of the owners of San Onofre that there was any movement at all towards shutting the plant permanently.

Yet now you and Shellenberger are saying they were planning for the shutdown all along and your evidence is making huge investments in otherwise unneeded generation? Generation that takes on average about 3-5 years to plan and build?

The Breakthrough Institute is not a valid source of data. If you want to present the information related to California's recent capacity additions, use another source.

Edison's sudden reversal and their decision to shut the plant down was entirely based on a fear of prosecution.

Boxer says Edison lied; wants Justice Department to investigate San Onofre Nuclear Power Plan
Ben Bergman | May 28th, 2013, 5:46pm

Senator Barbara Boxer (D-California) is asking the Justice Department to investigate whether Southern California Edison (SCE) lied to regulators and the public about the San Onofre nuclear plant.

In a conference call with reporters on Tuesday, Senator Boxer did not hide her contempt towards Edison.

“What they’re saying is gobbledygook,” she said. “It’s embarrassing.”

The senator later added: “I don’t know what planet they’re living on,” she added....


http://www.scpr.org/news/2013/05/28/37459/boxer-says-edison-lied-wants-justice-department-to/



News release, no copyright issues:

San Onofre: Pressed by Calif. regulators, Edison forced to release another damning letter

Posted May. 29, 2013 / Posted by: Adam Russell

Friends of the Earth: More proof utility sought to mislead NRC

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Under pressure from the California Public Utility Commission, Southern California Edison has released to Friends of the Earth another suppressed and highly incriminating internal document, showing that the utility knew eight years ago of serious flaws in the design of replacement steam generators for the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station. The letter directly contradicts written testimony Edison gave in January to the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

The 2005 letter from then-Edison Vice President Dwight Nunn was released Tuesday, after the state PUC sharply questioned why Edison had not provided it as part of the PUC’s investigation of failure of the San Onofre reactors, shut down since January 2012 after a leak of radioactive steam. The day before, Boxer released a 2004 letter from Nunn proving that Edison knew that the flawed generators were not “like-for-like” with the ones they replaced, but failed to reveal that to the NRC in order to expedite approval from the NRC.

“This new letter shows conclusively that in 2005 Edison was aware that its defective design could lead to vibration and cracking of steam generator tubes,” said Damon Moglen, Friends of the Earth’s climate and energy program director. “While Edison knew this could lead to what the earlier letter calls ‘a disastrous outcome,’ they didn’t fix the problem, they didn’t tell the NRC then and denied it again in testimony this year. This is a scandal of the highest order: Edison prioritized its construction schedule and profits and endangered the lives and livelihoods of millions of Southern Californians.”

In the June 16, 2005 letter, Nunn writes to Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, which manufactured the replacement steam generators to Edison’s specifications, about the “probability” that the design could cause the tubes to vibrate and crack. Despite later suggestions from a joint Mitsubishi/Edison design team to fix the problem prior to construction, the contractors rejected such changes because they would have triggered a lengthy NRC license amendment review, including public hearings. In January, in written testimony to the NRC in a case brought by Friends of the Earth, Edison claimed that the problem “was not known at the time.”

S. David Freeman, former head of the Tennessee Valley Authority and of several nuclear utilities, said Edison knew it was taking a risk.

“With these revelations, it’s clear that Edison was conducting an experiment all along,” said Freeman, senior advisor to Friends of the Earth. “They were operating reactors with equipment that they knew had major problems. That’s unforgivable.

“Edison gambled that additional safety measures were not needed when they gave the highest priority not to safety but speed of construction. Of course they didn't know for sure that the equipment would fail, but they did know that they were taking a risk and they lost on their gamble. Gambling with the safety of a nuclear plant is not acceptable and an egregious misuse of ratepayer’s money.”

The mounting revelations of Edison’s deception dash the utility’s request to restart San Onofre rector Unit 2 this summer, said Moglen. “The NRC must make sure these reactors are not restarted with this damaged equipment, and the PUC must make sure no ratepayer money is spent to operate, let alone restart, this failed plant,” he said.

After Senator Boxer released the 2004 letter yesterday, the California PUC issued a statement asking “whether Edison had a duty to disclose the letters earlier.” PUC Executive Director Paul Clanon said the Commission “need(s) to investigate whether Edison took unnecessary risks, or tried to evade regulatory oversight.“ Edison quickly released the 2005 letter, along with other suppressed internal documents (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) that may hold more revelations. Friends of the Earth is currently evaluating the remaining documents.


http://www.foe.org/news/news-releases/2013-05-pressed-by-calif-regulators-edison-releases-letter
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