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wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:07 PM Jun 2013

Growing support for nuclear France



"Support for nuclear power amongst the French public is on the rise. However, although twice as many people now favour nuclear energy than oppose it, half of the population remains uncommitted.

The poll was carried out on behalf of the Dimanche Ouest France newspaper by independent polling company Ifop at the end of May, tracking attitudes to nuclear power two years on from the Fukushima Daiichi accident. Of the 2004 respondents, 36% declared themselves to support the use of nuclear energy in France, up from 33% in November 2011 and 32% in July 2011. Meanwhile, the proportion expressing opposition to the use of nuclear energy had fallen to 14%, down 3% from the November 2011 figures and 6% from July 2011.

About a third of the population polled (34%) described themselves as "hesitant", or undecided, towards nuclear energy. Ifop notes that for the first time since Fukushima, the pro-nuclear percentage of the population outnumbers the undecided. Meanwhile 16% of respondents said they had no opinion at all on the subject."

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NP-Growing_support_for_nuclear_France-2406137.html
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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
1. You are linking to a trade publication for the nuclear industry? Is that news?
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:28 PM
Jun 2013


The World Nuclear Association (WNA) is the international organization that promotes nuclear power and supports the many companies that comprise the global nuclear industry. Its members come from all parts of the nuclear fuel cycle, including uranium mining, uranium conversion, uranium enrichment, nuclear fuel fabrication, plant manufacture, transport, and the disposition of used nuclear fuel as well as electricity generation itself.

Together, WNA members are responsible for 95% of the world's nuclear power outside of the U.S. [2] as well as the vast majority of world uranium, conversion and enrichment production.

The WNA says it aims to fulfill a dual role for its members: Facilitating their interaction on technical, commercial and policy matters and promoting wider public understanding of nuclear technology.

Accredited to the United Nations, the WNA is an independent, non-profit organization, funded primarily by membership subscriptions.

The WNA was founded in 2001 on the basis of the Uranium Institute, itself founded in 1975.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Nuclear_Association

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
3. I'm skeptical it's a good source for any news, as it is a trade publication with a bias
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jun 2013

the idea that just because it may have been "news" in another source, the primary source, doesn't mean it's news when reported by this organization/lobby.

pass.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
4. I wouldn't call this groundbreaking...
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 02:00 PM
Jun 2013

Some 36 percent of people surveyed said they favored France’s use of nuclear power with only 14 percent saying they opposed it, an Ifop poll released today for the newspaper Ouest France showed. That compares with 32 percent in favor of nuclear power and 20 percent opposed in July 2011.


comparing the immediate aftermath of Fukushima (in March 2011) to now? and still barely a third supporting.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
5. The French generate 70% of their electricity
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 02:18 PM
Jun 2013

from nukes. More than 90% of the high level waste is reprocessed. Since 1969 there have been 4 incidents that resulted in the release of radiation to the environment. There are no recorded deaths. fttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_accidents_by_country

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
7. Plenty of boosterism for French nuclear, but I never see admiration for French levels of consumption
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jun 2013

There's no need for a questionable poll.

Electricity consumption per capita (kWh per person)

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=81000&c=fr&c=gm&c=us&l=en

For memorable round numbers, let's call it half as much electricity usage per capita as the US. The good news, or maybe not, is that this also means it takes twice as many power plants to maintain an American.

Looks to me that, rather than promoting French methods of electricity production, the quickest way to lower carbon in the US would be to copy the amount they use. But I doubt the boosters at WNN would be amused.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
10. Spain, Latvia, or Scotland, the story is the same.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 04:35 AM
Jun 2013

The EU average is 5,827 kWh per capita per year total, far less than half that of the US at 12,800 for 2008. A similar doubling pattern exists with miles driven and other forms of consumption right down to the size of refrigerators. The connection to climate is pretty weak, even from state to state. The US CO2 emissions are double as well, as you know.

This is for residential only, which is usually about 1/3 of the total. The honors (for totals) appear to be shared with Canada, Australia, and a few Scandinavian counties, plus the UAE.



wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
13. Overall Americans use 5x as much energy as the world average
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jun 2013

so these results aren't surprising.

Do you feel that other countries use less energy because of concern for climate change?

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
14. Sure.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 05:49 PM
Jun 2013

Some better and some worse, but none have gotten it right and with all the right reasons.

What we probably can say for certain is that it's much easier to keep the bad habit from forming in the first place than to fix it afterward. Laws and leadership matter, and promising cheap and endless greenfields of consumption is probably a bad idea.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
15. It's not the consumption that hurts.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 06:13 PM
Jun 2013

It's the stuff that's left over, and the stuff that's not left over. Important to keep in mind.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
11. or perhaps the US is just exceptional.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 04:51 AM
Jun 2013

I hope you're not blaming high US consumption on Illinois farmers, because it looks like you should blame Wyoming farmers. Actually, high consumption per capita looks pretty red.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
12. Pleasantly surprised to find that the UK's figure came out even lower than France or Germany.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 08:03 AM
Jun 2013

USA 11.9
France 7.0
Germany 6.7
UK 5.5

(kWh per person)


Thanks for that link!
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