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4dsc

(5,787 posts)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:29 PM Jan 2012

No Need to Panic About Global Warming

In spite of a multidecade international campaign to enforce the message that increasing amounts of the "pollutant" carbon dioxide will destroy civilization, large numbers of scientists, many very prominent, share the opinions of Dr. Giaever. And the number of scientific "heretics" is growing with each passing year. The reason is a collection of stubborn scientific facts.

Perhaps the most inconvenient fact is the lack of global warming for well over 10 years now. This is known to the warming establishment, as one can see from the 2009 "Climategate" email of climate scientist Kevin Trenberth: "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't." But the warming is only missing if one believes computer models where so-called feedbacks involving water vapor and clouds greatly amplify the small effect of CO2.

The lack of warming for more than a decade—indeed, the smaller-than-predicted warming over the 22 years since the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) began issuing projections—suggests that computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause. Faced with this embarrassment, those promoting alarm have shifted their drumbeat from warming to weather extremes, to enable anything unusual that happens in our chaotic climate to be ascribed to CO2.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Wow. 16 scientist make this claim and every rightwing GW denialist will join the chorus.
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No Need to Panic About Global Warming (Original Post) 4dsc Jan 2012 OP
gardeners, farmers know different handmade34 Jan 2012 #1
Polar bears know it, too. a simple pattern Jan 2012 #2
I live in NW Ohio, where it is usually sub freezing this time of year. I have madmom Jan 2012 #4
Same here OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #6
I thought that predictions had underestimated warming. tabatha Jan 2012 #3
Kicking.. hoping for rebuttal, too. nt Bigmack Jan 2012 #5
The thread pinned to the top of the forum XemaSab Jan 2012 #7
And here's mine: Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #8
That one is just too danged depressing… OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #9
The anomaly graph, for me XemaSab Jan 2012 #10
“DURING THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION, THE ICE WILL PROBABLY BE GONE.” OKIsItJustMe Jan 2012 #11
Great response to the WSJ piece . . . markpkessinger Jan 2012 #12
They had to turn over a lot of rocks. wtmusic Jan 2012 #13

madmom

(9,681 posts)
4. I live in NW Ohio, where it is usually sub freezing this time of year. I have
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:30 PM
Jan 2012

spring flowers coming up in my garden right now.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
7. The thread pinned to the top of the forum
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 06:23 PM
Jan 2012

Last edited Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:50 PM - Edit history (2)

is one giant rebuttal.

ETA: Here's my personal favorite:



ETA: Fourth time's the charm. This graph has last year's melt on it, right on trend.

Dead_Parrot

(14,478 posts)
8. And here's mine:
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:03 PM
Jan 2012

One of the nice things about the GISS interface is you can ask it just this sort of question. So on the one hand we've got "the lack of global warming for well over 10 years now", and on the other we've got the temperature for the last 10 years compared to the previous 10:



Or, if we prefer, the last 10 years compared to 2000:



Or the last 5 years compared to the previous 5:



'Lack of global warming' my arse.

Which reminds me, I must update the one on the pinned thread.
edit: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/ if anyone ones to play.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,933 posts)
9. That one is just too danged depressing…
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:18 PM
Jan 2012

FWIW: Here’s the latest presentation of the data:
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/


[font size=1]Arctic sea ice volume anomaly from PIOMAS updated once a month. Daily Sea Ice volume anomalies for each day are computed relative to the 1979 to 2010 average for that day of the year. The trend for the period 1979- present is shown in blue. Shaded areas show one and two standard deviations from the trend. Error bars indicate the uncertainty of the monthly anomaly plotted once per year.[/font]


It looks to me like the volume is still going down…

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
10. The anomaly graph, for me
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:35 PM
Jan 2012

doesn't give a sense of the scale of the thing.

So we're 10,000 cubic kilometers below the average. I have no innate understanding of what that means. Is it a lot, or a little?

Meanwhile, the totals by month with accompanying projections just bring it home.

We've lost a third of the ice since 2007. We're projected to lose it ALL in three years.

DURING THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION, THE ICE WILL PROBABLY BE GONE.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,933 posts)
11. “DURING THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION, THE ICE WILL PROBABLY BE GONE.”
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:40 PM
Jan 2012

Like I said, “too depressing.”

(This little guy has always reminded me of a scared block of melting ice.)

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
13. They had to turn over a lot of rocks.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:20 AM
Jan 2012

Lindzen is a qualified dissenting opinion, but by every conceivable interpretation an outlier.

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