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eppur_se_muova

(36,259 posts)
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:21 PM Mar 2014

Do massive dams ever make sense? (BBC)

By Lauren Everitt
San Francisco

A new report from researchers at Oxford University argues that large dams are a risky investment - soaring past projected budgets, drowning emerging economies in debt and failing to deliver promised benefits. Do they ever really make sense?

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But for megadam critics, the Hoover Dam is an anomaly. The Oxford researchers reviewed 245 large dams - those with a wall height over 15m (49ft) - built between 1934 and 2007. They found that the dams ran 96% over their approved budgets on average - Brazil's Itaipu dam suffered a 240% overrun - and took an average of 8.2 years to build.

In the vast majority of cases, they say, megadams are not economically viable.
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"We don't accept that it's a discussion of hydropower from large dams versus fossil fuels. We would like the discussion to be about hydropower from large dams versus hydropower from smaller hydropower projects," he says.
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The cost of these behemoths is the main focus of the Oxford study.
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more: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26512465

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Do massive dams ever make sense? (BBC) (Original Post) eppur_se_muova Mar 2014 OP
Let me preface this with, "I effing hate dams," truebluegreen Mar 2014 #1
We have a great deal of untapped hydropower kristopher Mar 2014 #2
The greatest potential is run of the river electrical generation. happyslug Mar 2014 #3
 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
1. Let me preface this with, "I effing hate dams,"
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:50 PM
Mar 2014

but just out of curiosity, what if anything did they say about Grand Coulee? The Dam that won WWII, or so I've heard.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
2. We have a great deal of untapped hydropower
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 08:01 PM
Mar 2014

Just adding generators to the existing dams affords about 12GW of capacity.

An Assessment of Energy Potential at Non-powered Dams in the United States, compiled by the Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL), assesses the ability of existing non-powered dams across the country to generate electricity. The 80,000+ non-powered facilities represent the vast majority of dams in the country; more than 90% of dams are used for services such as regulating water supply and controlling inland navigation, and lack electricity-generating equipment. The study found that the nation has over 50,000 suitable non-powered dams with the technical potential to add about 12 gigawatts (GW) of clean, renewable hydropower capacity. The 100 largest capacity facilities—primarily locks and dams on the Ohio, Mississippi, Alabama, and Arkansas rivers operated by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers—could provide 8 GW of power combined. Power stations can likely be added to many of these dams at a lower cost than creating new powered dam structures without impacting critical habitats, parks, or wilderness areas. Together, these facilities could power millions of households and avoid millions of metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions each year.

http://energy.gov/eere/water/hydropower-resource-assessment-and-characterization

There is a resource assessment currently underway that is described here:
http://nhaap.ornl.gov/sites/default/files/NSD_Methodology_Report.pdf

On page 4 is this citation:
Utilizing a damless, diversionary development model, Hall et al. suggested that there could be 170 GW of hydropower capacity available from undeveloped sites across the U.S.


Although unstated the table here suggests about 60-65% capacity factor.
http://nhaap.ornl.gov/nsd
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
3. The greatest potential is run of the river electrical generation.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 09:30 PM
Mar 2014

In previous decades such systems were considered marginal, for two interconnected reasons:

1. Such run of the mill system are a constant source of power, not the turn on and you have electrical power, turn it off and the water is kept for later use to generate electrical power that Generators from Dams provide. Thus they competitors are coal and Nuclear power not traditional hydro dams

2. Each such electrical provider has low INDIVIDUAL power potential. Instead of one (or more) generator(s) providing all the power from the release of the water, you have to have hundreds of smaller generators. The technology for such smaller generation, prior to about 20 years ago, required as much maintenance as the large generators used in the Dams. While the larger generators produce so much power, it was worth the effort to keep them maintained, the smaller generators were generally considered to small to be cost effective. A good comparison would be comparing a bus with cars, a Bus has maybe two to three times the fuel and maintenance costs as a car, but if you compare a bus to 55 cars it is much more efficient. Thus it is worth the extra money to operate the bus compare to 55 cars.

In the last 20 years, tied in with the growth of wind turbines, the technology of water generators have improved so much that the cost of maintenance is now extremely low compared to what it was just 20 years ago. The Bus to car analogy is no longer valid, the cost to maintain the many small generators have gone down that much. It is still 55 cars or one bus, but we are looking one the equivalent of the same cost for each generators, one low cost for the large dam generator and the small small costs for maintaining the smaller run of the river generators, when both are producing electrical powers that provide more then their cost to operate.

Yes dams can still produce cheaper electricity due to the volume of water they can use to produce that electrical power, but run of the river generators are NOT that much more expensive and once installed still cheaper then coal or nuclear generation.

Some other article on Run of the River electrical generation:


http://energycentral.fileburst.com/EnergyBizOnline/2008-3-may-jun/Tech_Front_Mississippi.pdf

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20110622/hydroelectric-power-mississippi-river-ferc-coming-boom

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20110622/hydroelectric-power-mississippi-river-ferc-coming-boom

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/04/20/doe-finds-12-gw-of-untapped-hydro-potential-on-ol-man-river/

Now in the 1970s the Federal Government offered to municipalities along the rivers the right to install electrical powers at any of their locks and dams. Most Locks and Dams (as opposed to dams without locks) are designed solely for river navigation. i.e. to keep the river at a set range of height and restrict water flow to maintain that height. Most locks and dams even permit water to flow over the dam part of the lock and dam if the water behind the dam gets to high.

Now, in the Pittsburgh area this offer was taken up by the Clairton Borough. Clairton was able to do so for Pennsylvania law say the water is the border of all of the towns on the river, so Clairton could claim any lock and dam on the Monongahela river which it is located on. At the time it was believed by many Clairton did this as a favor to the local electrical unity, Duquesne Light, which was and is heavy invested in Nuclear plants. Thus tied all of those locks and dams up.

Now, on the Conemaugh dam, such an electrical power generator was installed. Conemaugh Dam is a hold dam, i.e. it is generally mostly empty, but in heavy rains it retains water to protect Pittsburgh from flooding. The water then is released slowly over several weeks till it is below the old railroad bridges which is now part of West Penn Trail between Blairsville and Saltsburg. a distance of 17 miles.

http://www.conemaughvalleyconservancy.org/recreation/recreation.html

In the middle of that path is the Conemaugh dam. The path works it way over the bend in the Conemaugh River where the dam is located. That bend has four tunnels through it. One for the original Pennsylvania Canal, one for the 1860 railroad that replaced the canal, a third for the 1900 railroad that replaced the 1860 era railroad and a tunnel for water to drain to the generator that was installed in the 1970s. All but the last tunnel are filled with 20 feet of concrete, so that water does not leak through them when the dam is full. The trail goes over the hill that is the bend in the river, then reconnects with the old railroad right of way (The 1900 right of way was abandoned in the 1950s, replaced by an existing railroad line that uses bridges to go around the dam. Moving existing structures is one of the reasons dams are getting harder and harder to build. On the other hand with the new technology (mostly the ability to produce very low fiction generators) run of the river system are showing themselves to be more and more a very good source of new electrical power.

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