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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:31 PM May 2014

This Parking Lot Is Paved With Solar Panels

The Idaho couple who created an innovative road surface made of solar panels is back with a prototype, and they’re looking to Indiegogo for additional funding.

Scott and Julie Brusaw want to replace traditional asphalt and concrete with impact-resistant solar panels that do double duty as a road surface and an energy source. When the solar roadway concept debuted in 2010, it caught the interest of futurists and government officials. Now the Brusaws have a working prototype covering a 12- by 36-foot parking lot outside the couple’s electronics lab in Idaho.

The new panels look quite different from the prototype we saw almost four years ago. The latest design is hexagonal, which allows for better coverage on curves and hills. They’re also heated for easier snow and ice removal, and include LEDs that can display road markings or even messages.

According to the Brusaws, the new glass-covered panels have been tested for traction and impact resistance, and can sustain a 250,000-pound load. They’ve even got a video of a tractor driving over the parking lot prototype. This is also the first time the panels have been subjected to real-world road conditions, and the parking lot includes a dedicated channel for drainage and utilities.

http://www.wired.com/2014/05/solar-road/

http://www.solarroadways.com/faq.shtml


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This Parking Lot Is Paved With Solar Panels (Original Post) IDemo May 2014 OP
I am re-surfacing a driveway in NM alittlelark May 2014 #1
Ok, but (not mentioned in their FAQ) how well does it stand up to sand, salt, and snowplows? Electric Monk May 2014 #2
Also they will tend to be covered during insolation hours. Yo_Mama May 2014 #5
I think I understand. TinkerTot55 May 2014 #11
well said oldandhappy May 2014 #12
I guess you're not suppose to park on them. tclambert May 2014 #14
Probably fix oil leaks regardless. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #20
even the smallest drips Niceguy1 May 2014 #26
You put it in the roadway. jeff47 May 2014 #17
Agreed Treant May 2014 #18
me too. demigoddess May 2014 #16
re-read: they're heated Duppers May 2014 #21
A guy near me did that with his driveway. Kaleva May 2014 #31
Umm ... don't pave a parking lot with it ... eppur_se_muova May 2014 #3
Their parking lot is part of their testing, not the goal muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #7
Also if you use them on the road beds Mbrow May 2014 #13
I'd be more receptive to putting them above the roads madokie May 2014 #4
So in our touted POTUS global warming "plan" seabeckind May 2014 #6
I stand corrected seabeckind May 2014 #10
And At Cal-Expo (State Fairgrounds Sacramento) WillyT May 2014 #8
Yes!!! seabeckind May 2014 #9
The other advantage of this design, I would think, is the hedgehog May 2014 #15
why don't we have solar panels TupperHappy May 2014 #24
I Really Really Don't Mean To Be Flippant... But My First Thought Was... Two Words... WillyT May 2014 #25
You don't see a conflict in policy? seabeckind May 2014 #28
Because, accidents. Indydem May 2014 #32
Now I can FINALLY dream of a lighted, heated solar driveway which will heat my house. joanbarnes May 2014 #19
Maintenance must cost a fortune... Helen Borg May 2014 #22
Agreed, but this still may find use in some applications pediatricmedic May 2014 #29
Good point there! Helen Borg May 2014 #30
And every time I suggest that all roofs should have solar panels, Curmudgeoness May 2014 #23
I prefer solar panels on covered parking. Courtesy Flush May 2014 #27
Yes dreamnightwind May 2014 #33
 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
2. Ok, but (not mentioned in their FAQ) how well does it stand up to sand, salt, and snowplows?
Fri May 9, 2014, 01:44 AM
May 2014

Solar panels make more sense as roofing or siding on south facing walls, instead, imho.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
5. Also they will tend to be covered during insolation hours.
Fri May 9, 2014, 08:03 AM
May 2014

I really don't understand the rationale for putting solar panels on parking lots. Roofs, well-situated sides of skyscrapers, solar farms - all of that makes sense. But why would you put solar panels on a parking lot as opposed to a roof?

Solar panels are not magic - they need rays of the sun striking them to produce power. You'll get the best bang for your buck by putting them on surfaces well-aligned to catch maximum hours of sun and which are not designed to be obstructed.

TinkerTot55

(198 posts)
11. I think I understand.
Fri May 9, 2014, 10:33 AM
May 2014

Parking lots are some of the largest wasted spaces in America. Perhaps the inventors are trying to make more energy-efficient use of the spaces, IF they can iron out all the bugs.

Here in Wisconsin, the panels would need to withstand great temperature extremes, for example.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
14. I guess you're not suppose to park on them.
Fri May 9, 2014, 11:56 AM
May 2014

Except at night. And for (insert deity of you choice) sake, don't let your filthy car leak oil on them.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
20. Probably fix oil leaks regardless.
Fri May 9, 2014, 02:23 PM
May 2014

If nothing else, for the environment and mechanical integrity of the vehicle.

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
26. even the smallest drips
Fri May 9, 2014, 11:58 PM
May 2014

Accumulate in parking spots. I think these would be better suited to pedestrian areas, or places not occupied a lot, like fair c.f. roind parking, stadium parking, etc.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
17. You put it in the roadway.
Fri May 9, 2014, 01:15 PM
May 2014

Parking lots have a lot of space where cars don't park - the parts you're supposed to drive on when looking for a space.

Treant

(1,968 posts)
18. Agreed
Fri May 9, 2014, 01:26 PM
May 2014

It sounds like it'd be smarter to use them in the aisles, which would be in the sun at least most of the day, rather than the parking spaces, which wouldn't be in most cases.

These might open up the possibility of making some roads into solar panel-enhanced thoroughfares. Sidewalks. Anywhere it's usually sunny during the day with only modest interference.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
16. me too.
Fri May 9, 2014, 12:55 PM
May 2014

that and using designs that would work with the climate instead of fighting it would reap more results if you ask me.

We are stupidly building homes that do not fit the climate they are in. I saw an old former residence in a neighborhood after a hurricane. All the wooden houses were gone but the cement block house built there in 1920 was still there. If I lived in florida or other hurricane area that is what I would build. That house was also a lot cooler for the hot climate.

Kaleva

(36,259 posts)
31. A guy near me did that with his driveway.
Sat May 10, 2014, 06:39 PM
May 2014

His heated driveway stayed snow free all winter but the water flowed out on to the street where it quickly froze, turning the intersection into one big skating rink where cars slide slide past the stop signs. Too many people complained and he had to discontinue heating the driveway.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
3. Umm ... don't pave a parking lot with it ...
Fri May 9, 2014, 01:49 AM
May 2014

because cars are, you know, not translucent.

Think SIDEWALKS, guys !!!!!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
7. Their parking lot is part of their testing, not the goal
Fri May 9, 2014, 09:26 AM
May 2014

They don't own a road, so they can't repave one. But they do own that section of parking outside their lab.

You can tell their goal is roads - "solar-road" and "solarroadways.com". There's more area of road than sidewalk, in general.

I still doubt it would withstand long-term heavy use, though - trucks stressing it time after time, temperature changes, and, as pointed out about, snow, salt and ploughs in some areas.

Mbrow

(1,090 posts)
13. Also if you use them on the road beds
Fri May 9, 2014, 11:37 AM
May 2014

You can use them for inductive charging of electric cars as you drive. Not a original thought from me just something I read a while back.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
4. I'd be more receptive to putting them above the roads
Fri May 9, 2014, 07:43 AM
May 2014

rather than drive on them. Our VA center in Muskogee Ok covered their parking lots with solar panels that will save them around $80,000 a year in electricity cost. All big box stores should be doing the same thing. Lots of benefits to the covers besides just the solar panels output too.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
6. So in our touted POTUS global warming "plan"
Fri May 9, 2014, 09:09 AM
May 2014

where is the part where we start powering commercial properties with solar panels on the roofs? Like malls.

Where is the part where the parking lots have a roof of solar panels? Or at least some kind of green absorption material to reduce heat and simplify snow removal?

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
10. I stand corrected
Fri May 9, 2014, 09:47 AM
May 2014

In another thread Obama is showing the panels and plans for gov't buildings.

Let's do them everywhere.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
8. And At Cal-Expo (State Fairgrounds Sacramento)
Fri May 9, 2014, 09:26 AM
May 2014


Providing shade for parked cars, AND power.





And Cal State Northridge...



And Fairfield CA...



etc...

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
9. Yes!!!
Fri May 9, 2014, 09:43 AM
May 2014

Heard you guys are doing HSR, too.

We're putting our money into professional sports.

And ignoring parking needs or transit for those venues.

TupperHappy

(166 posts)
24. why don't we have solar panels
Fri May 9, 2014, 11:29 PM
May 2014

...running down the median strip of every single interstate and divided highway?

I mean, yeah, aside from supply constraints and all that, but why not have a pilot program somewhere?

I live near Charlotte, NC, and right now there is widening effort going on for I-485, why not include solar panels in the median strip along the entire loop?

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
25. I Really Really Don't Mean To Be Flippant... But My First Thought Was... Two Words...
Fri May 9, 2014, 11:34 PM
May 2014
Duke Energy

That said... you have a fantastic idea... roll with it.




seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
28. You don't see a conflict in policy?
Sat May 10, 2014, 10:12 AM
May 2014

The article talks about an energy alternative and yet we are expanding the highway capacity to facilitate more vehicles on the road.

It's like trying to fight obesity in schools by providing a healthy lunch and at the same time subsidizing soft drink machines in those schools.

I think that our energy plans should emphasize mass transit rather than highways. Instead of widening the highway, how about transit in that median? Even better, how about both panels and transit?

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
32. Because, accidents.
Sat May 10, 2014, 10:59 PM
May 2014

The first time a driver goes off the road into the median they caused $100,000 in damage and probably died from the impact.

Medians are for safety.

pediatricmedic

(397 posts)
29. Agreed, but this still may find use in some applications
Sat May 10, 2014, 11:29 AM
May 2014

I think this application could be useful on crosswalks or intersections. Especially with the built in lighting feature. Personal driveways would also be a good application.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
30. Good point there!
Sat May 10, 2014, 12:09 PM
May 2014

They can be used as the source of energy for nearby devices. Also, they must come up with a way to easily replace them, some modular design where you pop one out and the new one in, while at the same time making it difficult to steal them.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
23. And every time I suggest that all roofs should have solar panels,
Fri May 9, 2014, 09:17 PM
May 2014

instead of shingles, I am told that they are not durable enough to use like shingles. This blows that excuse out of the water.

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
27. I prefer solar panels on covered parking.
Sat May 10, 2014, 09:41 AM
May 2014

Keeps cars out of the weather, plus it can use existing solar panel design. Those pavers look like they'd cost a lot more than a covered lot would.

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