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“The Fuse is Blown”. Glaciologist’s Jaw Dropping Account of a Shattering Moment (Original Post) GliderGuider Jan 2015 OP
I have noted this repeatedy Kelvin Mace Jan 2015 #1
Apparently that was the intent 2naSalit Jan 2015 #3
Time to find another planet. azmom Jan 2015 #2
Well... 2naSalit Jan 2015 #4
But on a cosmic scale azmom Jan 2015 #6
Move inland for now? Thanks for the videos...Wow. n/t libdem4life Jan 2015 #5
"This place is falling apart" progressoid Jan 2015 #7
He makes a very good point about how hard it is to communicate a sense of urgency GliderGuider Jan 2015 #8
Live for the moment pscot Jan 2015 #9
^ this ^ defacto7 Jan 2015 #15
Is urgency a thing for taoists? phantom power Jan 2015 #10
Not so much. GliderGuider Jan 2015 #11
First, there is no concerted effort to educate the population that there is a serious problem. Gregorian Jan 2015 #12
Why do we have so many people? The2ndWheel Jan 2015 #14
I agree... but there is a mechanism within western culture defacto7 Jan 2015 #16
I would have to agree. Most non-abrahamic religions don't foster a fear of death GliderGuider Jan 2015 #18
It's part of it, no doubt The2ndWheel Jan 2015 #19
"It's not from what people do in bed."? It's both. Longevity, and birthing. But... Gregorian Jan 2015 #20
I find this video (from last May) to be more informative OKIsItJustMe Jan 2015 #13
All I can do is Kick this. defacto7 Jan 2015 #17
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
1. I have noted this repeatedy
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:07 PM
Jan 2015

Scientists were too cowed by politicians such that they always toned down their findings rather than be deemed "cranks" or "hysterical alarmists".

It is now WAY too late.

2naSalit

(86,509 posts)
3. Apparently that was the intent
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:25 PM
Jan 2015

of silencing the scientists to begin with. This became general practice as soon as the "deriders" were selected by the SCOTUS fifteen years ago.

What amazes me is that browsing the job announcements at USAJobs - the official federal jobs site - I see the requirements for these positions set a pretty bar... perhaps it's to gain info on and to further silence those who would be able to dispute the deniers in office. I know a few who have been looking over their shoulders this past decade and a half.

2naSalit

(86,509 posts)
4. Well...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 01:26 PM
Jan 2015

that is the historic MO for our society... Europeans came over here and did that and it didn't, on a grand scale, take very long to accomplish the task.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
8. He makes a very good point about how hard it is to communicate a sense of urgency
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:04 PM
Jan 2015

He makes a very good point about how hard it is for scientists to communicate any sense of urgency. Even here, on an activist board that should be as up-to-the-minute as it's possible to be, we have people (granted, very few any more) who resolutely refuse to countenance any sense of urgency. How do we get through to them?

On edit: It's a very hard realization to get one's mind around - sort of like hearing what can only be a sea of rats chittering in your basement...

Another edit: Is there even any point in trying to get through to people? "Wake up and kiss your children goodbye!" doesn't seem like a very useful message...

pscot

(21,024 posts)
9. Live for the moment
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:53 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:34 PM - Edit history (1)

There's is a grim sort of satisfaction in pounding deniers over the head with this stuff. They're so transparently wrong on the facts and so defective in their "reasoning".

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
12. First, there is no concerted effort to educate the population that there is a serious problem.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 05:14 PM
Jan 2015

And second, there are no perceptible symptoms by which ordinary people can see in order to judge for themselves.

Some of us have been aware of this for over forty years. But we're oddballs. I knew there was a problem, but science hadn't even caught up with the problem enough to detail what and where that problem existed.

What really irks me is that anyone with eyes that actually connect to a brain can see that this all stems from overpopulation. No one needs a news anchor to tell them that we have a problem there. And yet this situation is completely unbridled. This is the problem.

Once we realize there's a serious emergency, with respect to global warming, then we will slowly begin backtracking in order to find the cause. And then we may start doing something about population growth. But I doubt it, and I believe it wil be far too late to do a thing about it.

You can't unfry an egg. So it behooves us to stop being such assholes, and start talking about what people do in bed. Yes, that's where this is all coming from. That isn't to say that in an emergency, population is not where we begin. It isn't. We begin by putting money into ways to stop burning fires with petroleum. But the problem still exists even if we solve that part of it.

And pardon me for a not well thought out post. I just can't bother thinkiing anymore, as it seems futile with so much ignorance.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
14. Why do we have so many people?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jan 2015

It's not from what people do in bed. It's that we started saving everyone from death. Each time it was done, it was that much more difficult to stop the next time. Not just morally, but increasingly physically more difficult.

Now it doesn't even stop with our own species. Now we have to go out and save all the other ones too, which only adds more complexity, which requires more energy to do.

No form of life wants to die, but they have to. To me, the desire to actively, directly, and consciously stop death, anywhere, all the time, and all that we do in the attempt to do so, is where it stems from. Overpopulation is just a byproduct of that. As is the need to start talking about what people do in bed.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
16. I agree... but there is a mechanism within western culture
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:53 AM
Jan 2015

that has taken all reasoning from the natural progression of life and death and human perspective of it.... Abrahamic religion.

If overpopulation is the problem, religion of Abrahamic philosophical origin was/is the enabler and enforcer.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
18. I would have to agree. Most non-abrahamic religions don't foster a fear of death
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:18 AM
Jan 2015

They accept it and even celebrate it. The doctrine of post-death judgment and eternal damnation is a deeply evil teaching. Give me Bardo or reincarnation any day...

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
19. It's part of it, no doubt
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jan 2015

I think we get to this point anyway though, Abrahamic philosophy or not. That philosophy can be a justification, or a rationalization, for what was being done. The idea of God is the ultimate objective observer, because there's very little real objectivity in real life. Without that, who died and made the guy hogging all the stuff right?

Organized religion is, well, just another form of organization. As is civilization, which is, like any organized effort, a resource concentration mechanism. Once humanity started down the road of establishing a center, funneling those resources toward the center, and expanding outwardly, it was just a race to see who won.

We're not where we're at for any one reason. It's taken both violence and compassion, fact and faith, dumbass luck and earned skill, etc, etc. It takes both something like the concept of heaven to keep people getting out of bed every morning to deal with the bullshit because what's the point to existence if not for some purpose, any purpose, and the ability to actually physically save people's lives, even though each life that has ever been saved has contributed to the overpopulation issue.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
20. "It's not from what people do in bed."? It's both. Longevity, and birthing. But...
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jan 2015

there's nothing we can do about people who are already here. That leaves only those who haven't been born, to deal with.

Yes, increased lifespan put more living people on planet earth, but not in an exponential way that birthing does.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,937 posts)
13. I find this video (from last May) to be more informative
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jan 2015

It's the same science, but nicely presented with CGI, explaining why the process is unstoppable.

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