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Mon Feb 13, 2017, 07:02 PM

 

Having "conversation" with my Trump supporting sister about animal welfare

http://aldf.org/wp-content/uploads/ALC/2016/The_Obama_Administrations_Top_Accomplishments_8_11_16.pdf

I found this link while looking for rebuttal to her claims that Obama has done nothing for animal rights/welfare and of course she wants to give Trump time ! HA. It all started when I sent her Keith Olberman's video on Trumps team wiping clean the web site showing animal abusers. I am finding, even on the issues closest to her heart, animals, she refuses to accept the facts. It's sad really and why it is so hard to convince republicans they are often voting against their own interests.

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Response to ciaobaby (Original post)

Mon Feb 13, 2017, 07:09 PM

1. I think that they don't want to admit they're wrong.

Like being wrong about something is some sort of personal weakness.

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Response to ciaobaby (Original post)

Mon Feb 13, 2017, 07:17 PM

3. Don't bother talking politics to her, it only makes her defensive

and that makes her cling to Trumpery even harder.

You need to wait until the brick wall falls on her. It will. You know it has to at some point.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 13, 2017, 07:24 PM

5. Words of wisdom!

 

But sometimes I just can't be silent. We are both very much in support of animal welfare. I am vegan and she recently went vegan as well and I thought maybe there was hope - you just can't live a vegan lifestyle and support Trump, and most republicans, can you?

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Response to ciaobaby (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 13, 2017, 07:32 PM

8. Sure you can, it's called "doublethink" and she has embraced it fully

You see it in a lot of religions, especially cults. It's very difficult to break and usually requires a crisis of some sort.

If she rants, cut her off, change the subject. If she won't stop ranting, walk away, go outside, go shopping, do anything, and ask her if she's done when you get back. You can't be her punching bag without your permission. Don't give it.

I honestly think we're going to have to return to the days of taboo subjects: sex, religion, and politics. It's about the only way we're ever going to be able to deal with Republicans, something we need to do since they're our fellow citizens.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 13, 2017, 08:03 PM

9. Thanks !

 

Luckily she is in another state and we only email each other because phone conversations are difficult as it typically veers off to the political and that never goes well.
And yes, it is very much like a cult. I think she got this way because she lives in the middle of nowhere and gets her news from fox.
My father would be rolling in his grave if he knew of her politics.

Just to give you an idea, I recently sent her the photo of the trump sons with the dead leopard they shot.
Her response: she did not approve but at least the animals they killed on safari died quickly as opposed to the dogs involved in dog fighting rings. (doublethink?)
I said both the hunter and the dog fighter were immoral and inhuman.

No progress - just frustration.
Glad I don't have any Trump friends. As the old saying goes, you can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your family.

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Response to ciaobaby (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 13, 2017, 09:18 PM

10. Actually, it goes "you can pick your nose and you can pick your friends

but you can't wipe your friends off on the furniture."

Best thing to do is let her sit and stew and experience the joys of cognitive dissonance as reality and her politics drift father and farther apart. When her views finally change, don't say a word to make her defensive. Remember, we have always been at war with eastasia.

And we saw "1984" as a dystopian horror. Right wingers saw it as a "how to" manual.

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Response to ciaobaby (Original post)

Mon Feb 13, 2017, 07:23 PM

4. perhaps it is time to find a new or better sister ....... just a thought

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 13, 2017, 07:25 PM

6. HA !! I only have three. She used to be my fav.........

 

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Response to ciaobaby (Original post)

Mon Feb 13, 2017, 07:29 PM

7. Facts don't matter. It is all about nationalism, superiority and grievances.

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Response to ciaobaby (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2017, 12:10 AM

11. Cognitive Dissonance

Even when it works against their interests.

[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance|

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Response to ciaobaby (Original post)

Sat Apr 15, 2017, 07:35 PM

12. Trump probably started out as a child abusing animals before he finally graduated...

... to being the class bully that eventually got banished to a private school with a military ambiance. He is a disgusting waste of oxygen.

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