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Fri Nov 16, 2018, 06:09 PM

There's no such thing as humane meat or eggs.

Opinion piece from The Guardian (not necessarily my opinion):

Many people think they consume humane meat, but only a tiny fraction actually do. The majority of consumers are totally wrong about what they eat

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2018/nov/16/theres-no-such-thing-as-humane-meat-or-eggs-stop-kidding-yourself#img-1

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Reply There's no such thing as humane meat or eggs. (Original post)
lordsummerisle Nov 2018 OP
Post removed Nov 2018 #1
byronius Nov 2018 #2
Merlot Nov 2018 #4
Cal Carpenter Nov 2018 #5
usrbs Nov 2018 #7
Duppers Nov 2018 #10
demosincebirth Nov 2018 #14
athena Mar 2019 #21
Susan Calvin Nov 2018 #11
MLAA Nov 2018 #3
UpInArms Nov 2018 #6
Bayard Nov 2018 #8
Duppers Nov 2018 #9
Susan Calvin Nov 2018 #12
UpInArms Nov 2018 #13
athena Nov 2018 #16
UpInArms Nov 2018 #17
athena Mar 2019 #19
UpInArms Mar 2019 #20
Susan Calvin Nov 2018 #18
athena Nov 2018 #15

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Response to Post removed (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 06:46 PM

2. Mocking people in this forum is an ugly thing to do.

You think you're being funny, but it's just really mean. You should rethink your response.

Ugly.

To vegetarians and vegans, your comment sounds exactly like people who used to mock the suffering of slaves. To us, meat is slavery. You're mocking the suffering of the enslaved.

It makes you look really, really insensitive. Best to stick to other forums.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:14 PM

4. Well, isn't that special? Bless your heart, sharing that with the vegan forum.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:25 PM

5. To whoever alerted on this post

As far as I can tell, the alert system doesn't tell the jury what forum a post is in. I may have reconsidered my vote to leave it had I known, because I do respect the idea that these groups are protected. The old jury system did a better job in this respect. I think the alert reason should have been the Statement of Purpose choice, and then perhaps it would be handled differently...? I know that group hosts used to have the ability to deal with this kind of stuff.

Anyway, don't want to derail the thread or anything, just wanted to mention this...

eta: I guess Statement of Purpose violation is only an option on an OP. I don't know what the admins expect us to do in a case like this

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Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:39 PM

7. A sentient being was slaughtered after a life of misery for your culinary pleasure. How droll!

If you’re a pet owner, imagine your pet in the conditions described in the article. If not, you still should be able to imagine the suffering these creatures experience. They’re not as intelligent as us but their capacity for suffering is comparable.

I hope that one day you’ll get enough compassion to look back at your attitude with shame and disbelief.

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Response to usrbs (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:16 PM

10. +100

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Response to usrbs (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 03:54 AM

14. I guess the plains Indians were cruel and inhumane to the buffaloes

As they hearded them over cliffs to their deaths? All they wanted was food to feed their families and clothe them.

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 8, 2019, 12:47 AM

21. Are you a plains Indian?

If not, you do not have an argument. It's perfectly possible, in fact much cheaper, these days to feed and clothe oneself and one's family without supporting the torture and slaughter of innocent animals.

Furthermore, what's being done to cows, pigs, and chickens these days is much, much worse than anything a plains Indian could have imagined. They would probably have found it cowardly and inhuman. And you're actively supporting it with your dollars, while using the Indians (Indians!) as your justification.

I find it so amusing when a meat-eater pulls the "But I have to feed my family!" argument. When one's goal is to fool oneself, one doesn't realize how weak and unconvincing one's arguments are.

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Sat Nov 17, 2018, 12:03 AM

11. That is cold. You think humans are the only feeling beings? nt

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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 06:53 PM

3. Had the most wonderful meals today and nobody died for them ☺️

Beyond Burger for lunch and veggie empanada and veggie tamale for dinner. Looking forward to my truly cruelty free chocolate vegan cake for dessert!

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Response to lordsummerisle (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:32 PM

6. Methinks my chickens are in no way abused for

Their eggs ...

This is where old chickens get to live their glory days in style

And if I get eggs, i’m happy

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Response to UpInArms (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:47 PM

8. Same here

I have the young egg-layers, and the old retired girls. Along with a little bantam rooster that has to be about 50 years old now.

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Response to Bayard (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:13 PM

9. In rooster years?



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Response to UpInArms (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 12:05 AM

12. I am seriously considering backyard chickens.

Advice?

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Response to Susan Calvin (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 12:16 AM

13. Just make certain that you have

a critter (Fox/raccoon) proof coop. And, a way for them to have water (electric buckets) in the winter

A good rooster (ours is a jap tail Bantu) is a plus ... he watches out for everything ...

Enjoy them ... chickens can be a fun addition to your world

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Response to Susan Calvin (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:23 PM

16. This is not the place to seek advice on that.

Do it through PMs or on another DU forum. This is the vegan/vegetarian forum. We don’t support the grinding of live male chicks here, which is what you support when you buy eggs or a backyard chicken.

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Response to athena (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:04 PM

17. Am not even familiar with your terminology

I buy my chickens at a farmers market ....

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Response to UpInArms (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:25 PM

19. What do you think happened to your chickens' brothers?

You didn’t buy as many roosters as hens, did you? What do you think happens to the male chicks? Do you think that your farmer’s market ensures that they’re well-fed and live out their lives in peace?

The word “grind” is not “terminology”. If you speak English, you know what it means. You know that every time you buy a female chick, you’re supporting the killing of a male chick. You can claim not to know, but you do know.

Ultimately, there is karma. You can support the torture and killing of innocent animals as much as you like. But the cholesterol you put in your mouth in the form of their flesh and bodily secretions will give you heart disease and Alzheimer’s as you age. You will suffer because you caused innocent beings to suffer. Cruelty only leads to more cruelty.

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Response to athena (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 08:53 PM

20. I buy roosters and hens

And so does everyone at the market ... maybe where you are it is different

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Response to athena (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:34 PM

18. Very sorry. nt

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Response to UpInArms (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:19 PM

15. This is the vegan/vegetarian forum.

You have the rest of DU to talk about how you disagree with vegan and vegetarian ideals. Doing so here is crass. It is not the behavior of a liberal.

You’re free to eat as much meat, eggs and dairy as you like. It’s between you, your health, and your conscience. As a vegan, I don’t care if you grow chickens or slaughter pigs or hand over all your hard-earned money to the factory-farm industry. It’s your life, and you can live it as you wish. But gloating about it in this forum is ugly.

I suspect you never gave a moment’s thought to what happened to the brothers of your chickens. You might want to Google it sometime.

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