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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:43 AM Oct 2015

Syria conflict: Assad forces make 'significant gains'

Syrian forces backed by Hezbollah militants from Lebanon are said to have made significant advances against rebels after heavy Russian air strikes.

Government gains are being reported in Idlib, Hama and Latakia provinces.

Russia says its aircraft carried out more than 60 missions over Syria in the past 24 hours, and that the Islamic State group was its main target.

But the Russian strikes appear to have impacted heavily on rebels fighting both the government and IS.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34500516

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Syria conflict: Assad forces make 'significant gains' (Original Post) bemildred Oct 2015 OP
Putin: Russia has no intention of mounting Syria ground operation, wants to see political compromise bemildred Oct 2015 #1
Iraqi Air Force strikes convoy of ISIS leader al-Baghdadi – military statement bemildred Oct 2015 #2
Islamic State leaders killed in Iraq airstrike, Baghdadi not among them -- hospital bemildred Oct 2015 #3
Supporters say ISIS will survive even if Baghdadi killed bemildred Oct 2015 #4
Russian jets hit 63 targets in Syria in past 24 hours — army bemildred Oct 2015 #5
Why Is Money Still Flowing to ISIS? bemildred Oct 2015 #6
. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #7
Note that there is no bounty offered for information that leads to top Saudi and GCC funders of IS. leveymg Oct 2015 #8
There you have it... Conflict of Interest Everywhere in our ME Debaucle KoKo Oct 2015 #9
The Congress has never met a bag of money it didn't like. bemildred Oct 2015 #23
From the NYT Editorial Board... KoKo Oct 2015 #10
Good questions. bemildred Oct 2015 #11
Sounds like al Baghdadi is causing so much Chaos that KoKo Oct 2015 #12
It depends on who you believe. bemildred Oct 2015 #13
..... KoKo Oct 2015 #15
I am somewhat hopeful but waiting to see how it develops. bemildred Oct 2015 #16
...... KoKo Oct 2015 #17
I'm afraid I don't watch TV. bemildred Oct 2015 #18
No problem... KoKo Oct 2015 #20
Yeah, you're right, I'll go find it, I'll even turn on the sound. bemildred Oct 2015 #21
Yeah, that was interesting. bemildred Oct 2015 #24
yep.... KoKo Oct 2015 #25
Yeah, I'm going to bed tonight. bemildred Oct 2015 #27
It's going to take a bit longer...but, some kind of change is coming... KoKo Oct 2015 #28
I think I'm going to crash now. bemildred Oct 2015 #19
Speaking of re-assessment: bemildred Oct 2015 #22
Seemed to me there's more than a "bit of truth" there...... KoKo Oct 2015 #26
The fact that NYT published that, however, is interesting. bemildred Oct 2015 #14

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. Putin: Russia has no intention of mounting Syria ground operation, wants to see political compromise
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:44 AM
Oct 2015

Using ground troops in Syria is out of the question, the Russian president said in an interview with Rossiya 1 TV. Russia’s air operation has been thoroughly prepared and is aimed merely at aiding the Syrian Army’s offensive, he said.
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“Whatever happens, we’re not going to do this [ground operation] and our Syrian friends are well aware of it,” President Vladimir Putin said in an interview with Russian TV anchor Vladimir Solovyov.

The primary task of the Russian operation in Syria is “stabilizing the legitimate authority in this country and creating conditions to look for political compromise,” President Putin said.

https://www.rt.com/news/318298-putin-interview-syria-operation/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
2. Iraqi Air Force strikes convoy of ISIS leader al-Baghdadi – military statement
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:45 AM
Oct 2015

Iraq’s Air Force has struck the convoy of Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, but his fate is unknown, says a military statement cited by Reuters.

"Iraqi air forces have bombed the convoy of the terrorist Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi while he was heading to Karabla to attend a meeting with Daesh [ISIS] commanders," the statement read.

The military gave no information about the fate of the terrorist leader.

Hospital sources and local residents have told Reuters that ISIS leaders were killed in the airstrike, but that al-Baghdadi wasn’t among them.

https://www.rt.com/news/318291-iraq-air-force-isis/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Islamic State leaders killed in Iraq airstrike, Baghdadi not among them -- hospital
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:46 AM
Oct 2015

BAGHDAD (Reuters) -- An airstrike on a gathering of Islamic State members in a town in western Iraq on Sunday killed several leaders but the group's top man, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, was not among them, hospital sources and residents said.

Iraq's military said earlier that it had targeted a meeting of Islamic State leaders and a convoy carrying Baghdadi to the gathering in two separate airstrikes.

http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/Islamic-State-leaders-killed-in-Iraq-airstrike-Baghdadi-not-among-them-hospital

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. Supporters say ISIS will survive even if Baghdadi killed
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:47 AM
Oct 2015

BAGHDAD - Islamic State supporters said on Twitter on Sunday that even if the group's leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has been killed, his self-proclaimed caliphate will survive.

"Does the entire world not know that even if, hypothetically, our Sheikh al-Baghdadi, God save and protect him from all evils and dangers, was martyred, do you think the State of the Caliphate would end? Do you think we would leave?," said a tweet from a supporter.

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Supporters-say-ISIS-will-survive-even-if-Baghdadi-killed-422609

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. Russian jets hit 63 targets in Syria in past 24 hours — army
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:48 AM
Oct 2015

MOSCOW — Russian fighter jets hit 63 targets in Syria in the past 24 hours, the Russian Defense Ministry said Sunday, as Moscow intensifies a campaign it says is aimed against the Islamic State jihadist group.

“Su-34, Su-24M and Su-25SM planes carried out 64 sorties from the Hmeimim airbase against 63 targets in the provinces of Hama, Latakia, Idlib and Raqa,” the Defense Ministry said in a statement.

The Russian military claimed that the air strikes had destroyed 53 positions used by the “terrorists”, as well as a command post, four training camps and seven ammunition depots.

Russia said its campaign in the war-torn country was rattling IS fighters, claiming that radio intercepts showed “growing panic” among them.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-jets-hit-63-targets-in-syria-in-past-24-hours-army/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
6. Why Is Money Still Flowing to ISIS?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:49 AM
Oct 2015

Videos of Islamic State fighters driving brand-name S.U.V.s and pickup trucks in Syria, Iraq and Libya are graphic proof that efforts to squeeze the group financially have not done nearly enough. Now that the Obama administration’s program to train and equip anti-Islamic State fighters has ended in failure, there is even more reason to double down on efforts to choke off the group’s ability to raise funds and buy supplies.

For the Islamic State, which is seeking to establish a caliphate across Iraq and Syria, money is a potential Achilles’ heel. Unlike nations like Iran, which have been under international financial sanctions and controls, the Islamic State — also known as ISIS or ISIL — is not a state. It lacks traditional economic relationships, it generates the vast majority of its revenue from within the territory it controls, and the sources of its revenues are not fully understood — all of which present a difficult challenge, American officials say.

The Treasury Department is leading an international effort to disrupt trade routes, cut access to the international financial system, and impose sanctions on Islamic State leaders and anyone who assists them. Last week, the State Department offered a reward of up to $5 million for information that leads to a significant disruption of sales of oil or antiquities benefiting the group.

Administration officials say they are making progress in starving the Islamic State of revenue and the ability to spend that money in world markets for military equipment and other supplies like oil production gear. But the sight of brand-name vehicles in the group’s convoys is a sure sign that something is awry, especially when Toyota, the manufacturer, says it has a policy of not selling to purchasers who might modify vehicles for terrorist activities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/opinion/sunday/why-is-money-still-flowing-to-isis.html?_r=0

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. Note that there is no bounty offered for information that leads to top Saudi and GCC funders of IS.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:41 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:09 PM - Edit history (3)

That's because most of ISIS finance comes from within those countries, according to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, yet the neocons in Treasury and State Depts are still turning a blind eye to it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026192755

Even David S. Cohen, who headed the Treasury's anti-terrorism finance unit from 2009 until early this year, acknowledged at the time that ISIS oil exports were only a fraction of the Islamic State's funding. The principle IS internal revenue source, black market oil exports, accounts for one-sixth of ISIS total revenues: http://time.com/3534584/treasury-departments-anti-terrorism-chief-says-cutting-off-isis-funds-of-high-importance/

“ISIS has a fair amount of money today, but what’s important is that we do everything we can to make sure it’s not recurring revenue,” Cohen said. He added that, although ISIS generates an estimated $1 million per day from illegal oil sales, even that figure isn’t enough to meet the needs of the people living in the vast territory the group controls. In areas where ISIS now operates, he said, the Iraqi government’s budget surpassed $2 billion this year.

While Cohen claimed ISIS funding was a "top priority" for his office, there is still virtually no resources going to tracking Saudi/GCC terrorist finance; meanwhile, State and Treasury have dozens of lawyers devoted full-time to enforcing Iran sanctions.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/31/combat-terror-end-support-saudi-arabia-dictatorships-fundamentalism

Take Qatar. There is evidence that, as the US magazine The Atlantic puts it, “Qatar’s military and economic largesse has made its way to Jabhat al-Nusra”, an al-Qaida group operating in Syria. Less than two weeks ago, Germany’s development minister, Gerd Mueller, was slapped down after pointing the finger at Qatar for funding Islamic State (Isis).

While there is no evidence to suggest Qatar’s regime is directly funding Isis, powerful private individuals within the state certainly are, and arms intended for other jihadi groups are likely to have fallen into their hands. According to a secret memo signed by Hillary Clinton, released by Wikileaks, Qatar has the worst record of counter-terrorism cooperation with the US.

And yet, where are the western demands for Qatar to stop funding international terrorism or being complicit in the rise of jihadi groups? Instead, Britain arms Qatar’s dictatorship, selling it millions of pounds worth of weaponry including “crowd-control ammunition” and missile parts. There are other reasons for Britain to keep stumm, too. Qatar owns lucrative chunks of Britain such as the Shard, a big portion of Sainsbury’s and a slice of the London Stock Exchange.

Then there’s Kuwait, slammed by Amnesty International for curtailing freedom of expression, beating and torturing demonstrators and discriminating against women. Hundreds of millions have been channelled by wealthy Kuwaitis to Syria, again ending up with groups like Jabhat al-Nusra.


Kuwait has refused to ban the Revival of Islamic Heritage Society, a supposed charity designated by the US Treasury as an al-Qaida bankroller. David Cohen, the US Treasury’s undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, has even described Kuwait as the “epicentre of fundraising for terrorist groups in Syria”. As Kristian Coates Ulrichsen, an associate fellow at Chatham House, told me: “High profile Kuwaiti clerics were quite openly supporting groups like al-Nusra, using TV programmes in Kuwait to grandstand on it.” All of this is helped by lax laws on financing and money laundering, he says.

But don’t expect any concerted action from the British government. Kuwait is “an important British ally in the region”, as the British government officially puts it. Tony Blair has become the must-have accessory of every self-respecting dictator, ranging from Kazakhstan to Egypt; Kuwait was Tony Blair Associates’ first client in a deal worth £27m. Britain has approved hundreds of arms licences to Kuwait since 2003, recently including military software and anti-riot shields.

And then, of course, there is the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia. Much of the world was rightly repulsed when Isis beheaded the courageous journalist James Foley. Note, then, that Saudi Arabia has beheaded 22 people since 4 August. Among the “crimes” that are punished with beheading are sorcery and drug trafficking.

Around 2,000 people have been killed since 1985, their decapitated corpses often left in public squares as a warning. According to Amnesty International, the death penalty “is so far removed from any kind of legal parameters that it is almost hard to believe”, with the use of torture to extract confessions commonplace. Shia Muslims are discriminated against and women are deprived of basic rights, having to seek permission from a man before they can even travel or take up paid work.
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Even talking about atheism has been made a terrorist offence and in 2012, 25-year-old Hamza Kashgari was jailed for 20 months for tweeting about the prophet Muhammad. Here are the fruits of the pact between an opulent monarchy and a fanatical clergy.

This human rights abusing regime is deeply complicit in the rise of Islamist extremism too. Following the Soviet invasion, the export of the fundamentalist Saudi interpretation of Islam – Wahhabism – fused with Afghan Pashtun tribal code and helped to form the Taliban. The Saudi monarchy would end up suffering from blowback as al-Qaida eventually turned against the kingdom.

Chatham House professor Paul Stevens says: “For a long time, there was an unwritten agreement … whereby al-Qaida’s presence was tolerated in Saudi Arabia, but don’t piss inside the tent, piss outside.” Coates Ulrichsen warns that Saudi policy on Syria could be “Afghanistan on steroids”, as elements of the regime have turned a blind eye to where funding for anti-Assad rebels ends up.

Although Saudi Arabia has given $100m (£60m) to the UN anti-terror programme and the country’s grand mufti has denounced Isis as “enemy number one”, radical Salafists across the Middle East receive ideological and material backing from within the kingdom. According to Clinton’s leaked memo, Saudi donors constituted “the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide”.



KoKo

(84,711 posts)
9. There you have it... Conflict of Interest Everywhere in our ME Debaucle
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:04 PM
Oct 2015

and Governments partially owned by MIC interests. Follow the Money...still works.


According to Clinton’s leaked memo, Saudi donors constituted “the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide”.


Bernie Sanders expressed exactly this in his "Meet the Press Interview" this morning segment on Foreign Policy.

He stated: Saudi Arabia and those involved in the financing of terrorists in the region should bear the burden not more American Troops.

I realize he did leave out a bit of our own internal financing-- but, at least, he's heading in a different direction from what we've seen so far.



bemildred

(90,061 posts)
23. The Congress has never met a bag of money it didn't like.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 03:12 AM
Oct 2015

Under the table. And we wonder why we can't have nice things.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
10. From the NYT Editorial Board...
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 06:01 PM
Oct 2015

Seems to pick up on articles posted from another source about questioning where the Toyota's have been coming from and all the other articles questioning what the heck we've been doing over there given all the questions that have been raised since the Red Line Incident with Kerry preparing us for a strike on Syria that put a few in our MIC into a panic.

Makes me wonder if there was some "behind the scenes" deal with Russia to allow Russia to bomb Syrian "Terrorists" while U.S. Finally.. takes care of ISIL/DAESH oil revenue sourcing and cracks down on the financing that has allowed them to thrive.

Yet, hasn't the U.S. had ample time to crack down on financing? And WHY DIDN'T we bomb those Toyta Convoys a year ago when they were parading around the desert waving flags? Our Drones and Missiles supposedly are Pin Point (except when they miss) and yet we couldn't bomb
Convoys of ISIS/ISIL carrying on like drunken teenagers "Showing Off Their Stuff?"

Oh well...as usual..more questions about our ME Policy without easy answers. Still...NYT article does seem ...well..interesting--given their background with Judith Miller, etc.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. Good questions.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 06:39 PM
Oct 2015

I use NYT mainly as the point of view of the beltway establishment, what they want me to think or what they think I want them to think. Given that, it's useful sometimes, but not that much. Too predictable for one thing. When something is predictable, it tells you nothing new.

You will note Putin is already talking to the Sauds, and has talked to Israel, a la Codevilla, and al Baghdadi was suddenly found. Too bad they missed.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
12. Sounds like al Baghdadi is causing so much Chaos that
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:38 PM
Oct 2015

"The Enemy of Enemy is My Friend?"

So...let's Get Together and Get Rid of this Person Causing all of Us So Much Trouble? HE is the problem and once he's gone...? A bit of "Regime Change" transferred off to al Baghdadi?

What a Mess. We spend how much of our Tax Payer Dollars supporting U.S. Intelligence to track down the al Baghdadi's and their Networks....Yet....they can't deal with Rowdy's blowing up Historic Sites and Beheading People even while they Sport their Stuff in their White Toyota Trucks with Black Flags Flying taunting to get on CNN and Affiliates to support Dick Cheney/John McCain and NeoCon Views that have caused the very Chaos in the ME that is like a Sewer Drain for ailing American Economy?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
13. It depends on who you believe.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:49 PM
Oct 2015

But the general idea is that someone was done with him now, and he needed to be disposed of. That's the "conspiracy theory" version. But it could be lucky intel or something, and Putin has already bombed the border according to Pepe, I think it was. The Russians do seem to have good intel in Syria, but Assad accounts for some of that. But this was Iraq. But they are all sharing intel. Hmmm.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
15. .....
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:23 PM
Oct 2015

Indeed, a Hmm... Since don't know all of the "moving parts" and few are out there questioning and parsing all of this ...we shall have to wait and see....

Maybe in a few years when the E-Books/Historical are written/re-written.

It's the way it goes. Still...there's enough going on that one does have a glimmer of hope that a "Bridge Too Far" was built...and is coming crashing down allowing New Views and Voices for a Change in Perspective about our MIC Policy will be coming onboard.

Somehow that more are waking up and asking serious questions about where we've been and where we are going might portend a change for the future. Maybe we've finally hit that "Serious Crossroads" and there are visionists who are putting a stop and asking us all to pause and ponder seeking better directions to the path forward before we blunder again into direction that causes nothing but chaos, suffering and misery for so many caught up in circumstances that are beyond their control? Which includes the whole world at this crucial point in our history with the challenges we face.



bemildred

(90,061 posts)
16. I am somewhat hopeful but waiting to see how it develops.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:36 PM
Oct 2015

We have another debacle, simply in the fatuous assumption that Putin would cave on Assad, as they assumed he would cave on Ukraine/Crimea. Faith-based foreign policy is not a good idea.

And that nobody seems to have noticed until he started doing it. Remember the attempts to shut off his air routes? That was grabbing at straws.

But for that reason there is hope for a rational re-assessment. Obama looked pissed to me, the question is at whom?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
17. ......
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:59 PM
Oct 2015

I've though he has looked pissed lately. Did you see his "60 Minutes" Interview tonight, though? He looked worn out and aged.

Hard to know what's going on there. I'm not much of a MSM viewer and haven't watch 60 Minutes in so many years..but, it was promo'd and it was well worth the watch for this point in time before the Tuesday Debate and given what's going on in Syria, Afghanistan, etc. that I tuned it in.

How he answers the questions and what he says and leaves out about Syria/Iraq, his ME Policy, etc.. Wouldn't want you to suffer through it --but if you have an interest check it out online sometime. I thought there was something there to be concerned about...going forward.

Here's Link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/obama-responds-is-the-u-s-on-the-retreat-in-the-middle-east/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
18. I'm afraid I don't watch TV.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:33 PM
Oct 2015

I had cable for a couple years with premium channels, just to see, and thought it was utter crap, so I cancelled it. My wife got satellite, for PBS, but I never watch it but once in a while for political reasons, Not lately, I'm going by some pictures I have seen and the text reporting.

I probably ought to have watched the Charlie Rose interview, but I was lazy and just read the text.

Stress kills. But he is a young vigorous man, he will recover once he leaves office.

Those naval blogs are fascinating, the talkbacks are informative. Hardware geeks.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
20. No problem...
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:49 PM
Oct 2015

I don't watch much MSM either.. We have a Roku box for international news and Netflix, etc. But, I gave the link if you want to give the "60 Minutes" a watch at some point online. Frankly, seeing a tired, worn out Obama maybe is best to ignore. I was just interested in what he said because of the Dem Debate. What he says probably matters little at this point in his administration, though.

But...yeah...I'm mostly tuned out for most of the MSM. Good to have a break from all of it...but hard not to get sucked back in for "inquiring minds." Wish we had more minds that inquired, though.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
24. Yeah, that was interesting.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 09:25 AM
Oct 2015

I'd say he looks dogged (not meaning an insult). And stressed. Stressed and dogged. The noise level in his neighborhood right now must be incredible. But I'm not going to talk about it.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
25. yep....
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 07:59 PM
Oct 2015

I got exhausted watching it.

At one point I thought he was saying in that interview... BUT: "We are Throwing Every Action Against the Wall...and Hoping Something Sticks" in our ME Policy.



I had to take a break today...he did me in.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
27. Yeah, I'm going to bed tonight.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:04 PM
Oct 2015

It's mostly babble now anyway. Wake up in the morning and see what you got right and what you got wrong. But I'm more optimistic than I have been, a lot of things jelled today.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
28. It's going to take a bit longer...but, some kind of change is coming...
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:35 PM
Oct 2015

because of so many failed policies. The "Stuff" is just falling apart. Needs new Thinking. Younger Crowd might push for that New Thinking.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
22. Speaking of re-assessment:
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:59 PM
Oct 2015
Opinion: Finding Common Interests with the Russians in Syria

The increased presence of Russian forces in Syria has added another layer of complexity to an already confusing array of warring factions—a good estimate is that 18 to 20 factions now are fighting for one cause or another in Syria. The Russians assuming an active role in the Syrian battle space took the United States by surprise. For many American political, military, and media voices it is evident that Russia’s recent actions stuck a nerve.

One suspects that the latent Cold War conditioning of Americans over 40 years of age resurfaces whenever Russia does something that reminds us of the bipolar world we once wrestled to control. This brief analysis will look for reasons why the Russians are in Syria, and what it might mean for the fight against ISIS. The perspectives of both Russia and the United States will be examined.

While some in America worry that the Russians will soon embark on a conquest of the Middle East, the fact is that the Russians are not new to Syria. The first point to recognize is that Russia is not invading Syria; the latter has long been an ally of Russia (and its former Soviet self). The importance of Syria, and a keeping a toehold in the Mediterranean, is underscored by the fact that the Syrian port of Tartus was the only foreign military base maintained by Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

Russian arms sales to Syria, and regular port visits by Russian vessels, have continued since the 1970s. It is important to note that every other foreign military outpost of the Soviet empire was abandoned in the early 1990s, but that one remained. One can only conclude that this relationship, and geographic location, was significant enough that it was preserved and maintained by post-Soviet Russia.

http://news.usni.org/2015/10/02/opinion-finding-common-interests-with-the-russians-in-syria

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
26. Seemed to me there's more than a "bit of truth" there......
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:01 PM
Oct 2015

I thought it was an interesting article. Thanks!

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
14. The fact that NYT published that, however, is interesting.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:05 PM
Oct 2015

I did take it to suggest that if there was some silence about ISIS before, they will now get more scrutiny, they are not now going to be protected. But I would not be confident about that as it is. Maybe with a few more hits like this.

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