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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 09:17 AM Sep 2022

My opinion: Zelensky should offer peace-negotiations to Donetsk and Luhansk Peoples' Republics.

"Look at how Russia has treated you. Basically all of your men below the age of 65 have been sacrificed as cannon-fodder by Russia. And what for? What have you gained from this war?

Consider how Russia has treated you. Do you think Russia can win this war? What will life in the Donetsk People's Republic, in the Luhansk People's Republic, be like in 5 years? Do you think that Russia will invest one single Ruble into you?

Here's our offer. Russia, the LPR and the DPR can continue this war, but they cannot win it. So come and rejoin Ukraine. Let's figure out ways and conditions how the Luhansk-oblast and the Donetsk-oblast can become part of Ukraine again.

You know that you mean nothing to Russia.

You know that the West has money and they will invest that money into Ukraine after the war.

So, choose. Choose between a good life in a reborn prosperous Ukraine, or a life as beggars kissing Russia's feet.

Under which political conditions would the LPR and the DPR be willing to dissolve and to become parts of Ukraine again?"









And with this, Ukraine would pull out the propagandistic rug from under Russia's feet.

Because the official goal of the "special military operation" is to protect the Luhansk People's Republic and the Donetsk People's Republic from "ukrainian aggression".
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My opinion: Zelensky should offer peace-negotiations to Donetsk and Luhansk Peoples' Republics. (Original Post) DetlefK Sep 2022 OP
They should negotiate that Russia leaves all of Ukraine immediately relayerbob Sep 2022 #1
Russia CANNOT negotiate with Ukraine. DetlefK Sep 2022 #2
My point is, there's nothing to negotiate until after Russia leaves relayerbob Sep 2022 #3

relayerbob

(6,543 posts)
1. They should negotiate that Russia leaves all of Ukraine immediately
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 09:27 AM
Sep 2022

Including Crimea, Provide reparations, and return the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians that have been kidnapped, and shipped to Russia. Then, start talking peace. Anything less than that is surrender. Ukraine won’t do that, and as the US has made perfectly clear, the terms and conditions are to be defined by Ukraine, no one else.

And never provide recognition of LPR and DPR as entities to be negotiated with.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. Russia CANNOT negotiate with Ukraine.
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 10:10 AM
Sep 2022

Russia has called Ukraine Nazis, that they are filled with unstoppable irrational hatred against all Russians, that the West wants to destroy Russia just like they destroyed the Soviet-Union.

So how could the russian government sell it to the russian people that they are negotiating for peace with Russia-hating Nazis who want to destroy everything that is good and decent in this world?

relayerbob

(6,543 posts)
3. My point is, there's nothing to negotiate until after Russia leaves
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 10:37 AM
Sep 2022

and returns who they have kidnapped. LPR and DPR don't exist except in russian fantasy, so nothing to negotiate. Their "leadership" chose to be on the side of terrorists.

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