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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 06:31 AM Jan 2014

We face being buried under an avalanche of Chinese science

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/28/we-face-being-buried-under-an-avalanche-of-chinese-science/



We face being buried under an avalanche of Chinese science
By Kostas Kostarelos, The Guardian
Tuesday, January 28, 2014 13:14 EST

I was chatting with a friend and collaborator based in Germany recently about the completion of a new building that his university was constructing, dedicated to biomedical imaging sciences. I was sharing my own exhilaration about the serious investment that our government, regional agencies and the EU were making in graphene research at the University of Manchester. At some point in our conversation it became apparent that as extraordinary as the investments in our institutions were, they did not even come close to what we had both experienced from recent trips in China.

Our conclusion was that “for each floor refurbishment in Europe, a new building is built is China, and for each new building in Europe, a new campus is built in China …”

The magnitude of R&D investment in China is unprecedented and well-documented. Nanoscience is a strategically important field in the eyes of Chinese policymakers: a poster-child of new-age, high-tech China. The volume of scientific data generated and published by Chinese laboratories in all areas of nanotechnology has been increasing exponentially.

What I fear is that we all – Asians and westerners alike – run the risk of getting buried under this avalanche of manic scientific output and the oversimplification of capitalist principles applied to science in an artificially consumerist – yet not truly capitalist – society. Let me try to explain.
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We face being buried under an avalanche of Chinese science (Original Post) unhappycamper Jan 2014 OP
A simple example of their level of investment dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #1
Central America has a lot of Taiwanese (and Japanese) connections and "binationals" MisterP Jan 2014 #9
the title smacks of paranoid ignorance. GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #2
The whole thing smacks of paranoid ignorance. bemildred Jan 2014 #7
As a scientist, one paragraph really got my attention: DetlefK Jan 2014 #3
That is a very good point about the culture of non-dissent Victor_c3 Jan 2014 #4
xenophobia? Progressive dog Jan 2014 #5
Sort of like what we did to them a while back? nt bemildred Jan 2014 #6
Science doesn't bury. It uplifts. DireStrike Jan 2014 #8

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
1. A simple example of their level of investment
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 06:40 AM
Jan 2014

is that they pay for students to spend 5 years in Cuba learning Spanish so they can represent China in Latin America etc. Doubtless they've got students learning Portuguese elsewhere for the same reason.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
9. Central America has a lot of Taiwanese (and Japanese) connections and "binationals"
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 04:31 PM
Jan 2014

un gran lago aún es un lago

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. The whole thing smacks of paranoid ignorance.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 09:12 AM
Jan 2014

He seems to think that science has not inundated us already, for one thing. It has been some time now since one could keep up with more than a small part of scientific knowledge, let alone the wider field of human endeavor. This is one of the reasons I like to offend uncivil know-it-alls.

Arrogance is not a unique Chinese cultural phenomenon by any means, we love it too. How many posters do we have here now who act like science is their personal fiefdom?

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
3. As a scientist, one paragraph really got my attention:
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 07:44 AM
Jan 2014

"It is enlightening when one realizes that going to a conference in Asia will not involve open discussion and challenge ideas, simply because this is considered disrespectful."

So, someone holds a scientific talk and I'm not supposed to note: "Excuse me, but you went wrong on that point for that and that reason." Am I supposed to let this scientist go on with his work, fully knowing that he's wasting everyone's time because he will inevitably fail sooner or later?

Scientists love being right, but they love it even more, when they get challenged. "Your theory or mine, only one will get out of this alive. IT'S ON!"
If you win: "Yay, I was right, just like I always knew. That was boring."
If you loose: "Thanks for showing me your secrets. Now my research will outpace yours! Muhahaha!"

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
4. That is a very good point about the culture of non-dissent
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 08:29 AM
Jan 2014

Dissent and questioning things are fundamental aspects of the scientific process.

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For what it's worth, I'm a wannabe scientist myself. I don't do any research, but I spend my day working in a quality assurance lab as a chemist.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
5. xenophobia?
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 08:53 AM
Jan 2014

There is no difference between western and Chinese Science. If the Chinese invent a better way of doing science, westerners will copy it.

DireStrike

(6,452 posts)
8. Science doesn't bury. It uplifts.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 09:24 AM
Jan 2014

Neither can progress stay hidden in one country for long.

After reading the full article, I think the writer has a deeply flawed understanding of history, and falsely imagines the 50s and 60s in the US to be a golden age.

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