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This too is a formula, though different from Reuters.’ We are to understand that the bomb was not targeted at people. No – its target was a bus stop, an object fixed on the side of the road. Clearly the BBC has the same object in mind as Reuters: Israelis must on no account usurp the role of victim. Better the victim be a bus stop.
Knife murders family
Another real story now allows one to watch the reporter as he goes through the process of making the news. He starts off blaming a knife for the murder of three siblings and their parents (the Fogel family).
The murder of three siblings and their parents is blamed on a knife. Who blamed the knife? Time magazine’s Karl Vick blamed the knife for slitting throats and almost decapitating a toddler. “The murder by knife of three children,” writes Vick. The knife did it. Palestinians don’t kill children in their beds, knives do that. And the Fogels were not a family, they were ‘settlers.’ By using the impersonal and passive voice, Time Magazine takes Palestinians safely away from the horror.
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http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/how-media-condition-people-to-be-anti-israel/
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ret5hd
(20,491 posts)No villages, water supplies, orchards, lives damaged at all.
shira
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pscot
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azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:25 PM - Edit history (1)
First came the condemnations. "This is a despicable murder of an entire innocent family, parents, children and an infant, while they were sleeping in their home on the Sabbath evening," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement. "We all know," Netanyahu added, "as those who want to strike at us will know, that the future of the settlements will not be decided by terror." (See the West Bank's emerging middle class.)
A few hours later, however, the Prime Minister made certain that the attack would, in fact, have a direct impact on Israel's West Bank settlements. Before Sunday dawned, his government had approved construction of 500 new homes on Palestinian territory. The homes are to be built on settlement blocs close to the 1967 border, densely packed and often suburban, rather than in the remote hilltop settlements like Itamar, where the Fogel family lived and where friction with neighboring Palestinians is far more common. But it was the first new construction Netanyahu's government has approved, and the clearest effort to transmute the deaths of the Fogels into politics. It would not be the only one.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058660,00.html#ixzz1xY7ZupIp
The rest is about the settlements, now I took the knife as meaning as opposed to a gun or bomb, but it did not say Palestinian terrorists so of course.......but the article got one thing right ,the Fogels deaths transmuted into politics and this OP is a very good example of that
shira
(30,109 posts)From the article:
The melting pot offers two benefits. One, acts of Palestinian barbarism can be softened or hidden altogether; and two, Israelis can be paired with this barbarism to impart the idea of both sides in the slime pot together.
There are many cases to draw on for the melting pot trick. I choose three, for their clarity or horrendous details. The first case deals with the execution of an Israeli child in her bed in the settlement of Adora, 2002.
We know the reporter, Phil Reeves, producer of “The Great Hoax Massacre.” The headline (to be fair, we have no way of knowing if it was written by him or an editor, but the point stands) foreshadows what Reeves will do with the story. It refers to aggression by Israel. One has to wade through four columns on Israeli “offensives” before coming, near the end, to a casual reference to the shooting of five-year-old Danielle Shefi in front of her mother. “And so,” Reeves concludes, “the cycle of violence goes around.”
Into the slime pot he throws the Palestinian “militants” killed in armed conflict, and a child executed in bed, in front of the mother.
shira
(30,109 posts)1. A militant sprayed Jews with machine gun fire while they shopped for the Sabbath in downtown Jerusalem.
2. The IDF found a bomb factory in the West Bank, and in a shoot-out killed the Hamas bomb-makers operating it.
Throwing the two incidents into one pot, AP produced the headline ”Israel kills 4, Palestinian wounds 8.”
Observe: Jews are first to be thrown into the pot, their act being worse – they killed. The Palestinian goes into the pot next – he does no more than wound people. Let’s simulate. had AP reported a WW II story it would headline it “British forces kill 4 SS men, SS men wound 8 camp inmates.” Then the British would weigh in heavier than the SS on the scale of evil. Hail AP and its mess of porridge!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and view all Palestinian actions as though they happened in a vacuum?
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)because the article it pointed to did not say Palestinian terrorists but no thinking what believe the twaddle about the knife being blamed either, oh and the usual rant about the BBC, so whats new?
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)show me the proof that the public has turned against Israel your OP sites a couple of news stories as though they were representative of all media everywhere
eta IMO the large majority of the American really does not care much one way or the other they're far more concerned with domestic policy
shira
(30,109 posts)...and now you're demanding that I show you more proof?
Seriously?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Most of the time, violence is violence.
And by now, even YOU would have to admit there have been as many innocent Palestinians killed as innocent Israelis. Just accept that there's plenty of ugliness in the actions of both sides already. Always saying "Israel's better! Israel's better! Israel's better!" serves no purpose and simply vulgarizes the discussion.
And there's never been a justification for the "ten lives for one" thing. All that does is end up killing people who had nothing to do with the original killing.
shira
(30,109 posts)....and the very deliberate murder of a baby in its bed.
When the IDF starts mowing down civilians in cold blood, for absolutely no military purpose whatsoever, THAT would be the equivalent of murdering the Fogels or blowing up people in a pizza place or disco.
King_David
(14,851 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
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King_David
(14,851 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)http://www.timesofisrael.com/sudanese-leave-arab-israeli-village/
Perfect example of what the media is doing.
It's not bad Israelis the media is looking to demonize. It's only Israeli Jews. Israeli Arabs, like Palestinians, are virtuous. To report this story worldwide - just as they are doing WRT Israeli Jews and the Sudanese - would be against the narrative b/c only the Israeli Jews are racist, not Israeli Arabs, and certainly not Palestinians. Israeli Arabs and Palestinians are virtuous victims. Israeli Jews are racist oppressors. To report otherwise would be politically incorrect.
aranthus
(3,385 posts)If the article is telling the truth about the media and Israel (and I believe that it is), then isn't it likely that the media is using the same tactics on every other major story or issue?
shira
(30,109 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Narrative buster WRT the so-called peaceful humanitarian Mavi Marmara / Flotilla.
It's all about demonization/delegitimization and cover for extreme rightwing Islamist organizations and leadership. I swear I can't distinguish b/w the hard Left and hard Right these days. I wish someone would explain the difference to me.
The hard Left and hard Right. BFF. And the International media is silent...
shira
(30,109 posts)1. Hamas shoots 2 rockets. That does not break the truce.
2. Israel retaliates, but THAT breaks the truce.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)trying to figure out just what it is you want. Are you Israeli?
shira
(30,109 posts)What did you think about the parts in the OP titled "The Great Hoax Massacre" and "The Melting Pot"?
You don't see anything worthy of mention there?
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)when others answer your questions with a question of their own. Why not answer my questions before asking any of your own?
shira
(30,109 posts)That's why I asked whether you read it or not.
You asked what I want.
I think it's important for anyone keeping up with I/P in the news to consider their sources before casting judgment.
And no, I'm not Israeli.
Your turn.
shira
(30,109 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)I didn't know Israeli was a language.
Way to cover her bigotry, CBS!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)here is the statement-
Walker, an ardent pro-Palestinian activist, said in a letter to Yediot Books that Israel practices "apartheid" and must change its policies before her works can be published there.
"I would so like knowing my books are read by the people of your country, especially by the young and by the brave Israeli activists (Jewish and Palestinian) for justice and peace I have had the joy of working beside," she wrote in the letter, obtained by The Associated Press. "I am hopeful that one day, maybe soon, this may happen. But now is not the time."
now are you accusing CBS of covering her 'bigotry against Israel? or is there something more that you are implying?
shira
(30,109 posts)...all Jews who speak hebrew.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)or do Jews everywhere except Israel speak Hebrew for religious services and prayer? Hebrew is the language of Israel and Jews anywhere can read the Color Purple in any just about language except Hebrew, but your reply was indeed a 'nice' foxtrot around Jews=Israel and Israel=Jews
Ms Walkers move had to do with Israel which of course you imply in comments here is antisemitic
eta Hebrew is the Jewish language so only Jews in Israel speak Hebrew or do all Israelis regardless of whether or not they're Jewish?
shira
(30,109 posts)You wouldn't have a problem with that, right?
After all, real, genuine apartheid is practiced in all Arab nations bordering Israel.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)of course Israel doesn't practice apartheid in the West Bank there;s just a set of laws for Israeli's living there and another one for the natives, but that's not apartheid right?
shira
(30,109 posts)....for any perceived wrongdoing, correct?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and whether or not I approved would depend entirely on the reason(s)
shira
(30,109 posts)...due to her belief Israel practices apartheid, both within Israel and outside of Israel.
So presumably, since there's even worse apartheid in Israel's neighboring states, I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with someone (right or leftwing) boycotting Arabic.
Correct?
shira
(30,109 posts)In complaining about the light coverage of the event on BBC radio and television programs, the newspaper reported that Mensch said, “I only found out, after the event, from an American blog, called ‘Dead Jews is no news,’ and the more I went into it, the more shocked I was. There was a feeling that the BBC just didn’t care and that if a settler had opened the home of a Palestinian family, slit the throat of their children, that the BBC would have covered that.”
Thompson, according to the Jewish Chronicle, responded that the story occurred during a “very busy news period,” including the fighting in Libya and the tsunami in Japan and that “news editors were under a lot of pressure.”
He reportedly added, “Having said that, it was certainly an atrocity which should have been covered across our news bulletins that day… But I do want to say, to all our audience, including our Jewish and Israeli audiences here and around the world, we do want to make sure we are fair and impartial. We made a mistake in this instance.”
http://www.jewishjournal.com/world/article/bbc_official_admits_the_network_got_it_wrong_on_fogel_murders_20120622/
shira
(30,109 posts)Today, The Commentator reveals a Freedom of Information request showing that the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has so far spent almost a third of a million pounds (more than half a million dollars) in order to conceal the infamous 'Balen Report', into the corporation's coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, from the British public.
Britons are required by law to own licences in order to use televisions. This raises £3.6billion in funding for the state broadcaster. Despite this public funding, the BBC does not have to comply with the Freedom of Information Act 2000 with regard to actual information held for the purposes of journalism, art or literature.
The Balen Report was written in 2004 and campaigners say the BBC does not wish to release the document over fears that it will substantiate claims of BBC bias against Israel. Ironically, it is understood that former Director of News for the BBC, Richard Sambrook, commissioned the report in order to allay public fears. The report, however, was never released.
more...
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1565/exclusive_bbc_spends_a_third_of_1_million_concealing_middle_east_balen_report_
shira
(30,109 posts)http://news.yahoo.com/israel-court-says-u-activist-not-unlawfully-killed-065132808.html
shira
(30,109 posts)As Muslim mobs, allegedly outraged over the YouTube video, "Innocence of Muslims," assaulted American embassies and murdered American diplomatic personnel, the Associated Press (AP) and the Wall Street Journal published portions of telephone interviews with a man claiming to be the film's director who identified himself as an Israeli-American named Sam Bacile. (Shown at left being taken for interrogation.) News outlets, especially those known for favoring stories with an anti-Israel angle, like the Guardian, NPR, BBC and the Huffington Post, ran with the story. Some television networks, like ABC, followed suit as well.
It was not long before the Sam Bacile story unraveled. But, the damage had been done, with little evidence of contrition in the media.
According to the AP and the Wall Street Journal, Bacile made a series of inflammatory statements, calling Islam a "cancer," insulting Islam's prophet and bizarrely asserting that the film was backed by "100 Jewish donors."
The incendiary content of Bacile's statements, especially the "100 Jewish donors" claim, should have immediately raised suspicion and prompted news outlets to use caution and skepticism in conveying his statements. If Bacile really had been an Israeli Jew who made the film to benefit his "native land," as he claimed, why would he brag to the media about Jewish and Israeli complicity? It is telling of the state of mind that exists among the media that this contradiction did not prompt these news outlets to reconsider running with the story. Unfortunately, much of the media's initial coverage of the YouTube film trailer associated with attacks on the American embassies in Egypt and Libya on Sept. 11, 2012 fell into a familiar pattern of running with a dubious story containing obvious anti-Jewish innuendo.
more...
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=2&x_article=2294
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)I don't know where you live, but here in the US bus stops usually have people standing there waiting for a bus...the assumption is that the target was people waiting for a bus. Likewise, the murder by knife of 3 children simply identified the weapon used...one assumes it was wielded by a human as no one, at least no sane person, believes knives just up and murder people.
So the Fogels were a family who lived where? Tel Aviv?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Article in Time magazine about the Fogels:
The murder by knife of three children, including an infant of 3 months, and both parents in a West Bank settlement late Friday night rocked Israel terribly. The news broke on Saturday morning, and the shock was somehow both muted and amplified by the enforced public silence of the Jewish Sabbath. But Shabbat ended at sundown, and freed from the strictures of enforced rest, events lurched forward with something very like vengeance.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058660,00.html
Surprised you haven't heard of them.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Seriously,no offence but you need do some serious research before contributing to this debate in any kind of meaninful way.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)I know where the Fogel family lived....Shira objects to them being called "settlers"
King_David
(14,851 posts)in text ...
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)if you would tell me just what is the sarcasm thingy. 
bemildred
(90,061 posts)e.g: 
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)As you can see I'm fairly new to DU and I have asked several times what that n/t means
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I use it so much I have to remember to erase it sometimes, because it just comes out automatically.
A number of different forms are in use, and it actually goes back to usenet, where it was more of an issue pulling up a post for nothing.
King_David
(14,851 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)I do object to the article dehumanizing the family, as well as implying that since they were settlers, the murderers had good reason to kill them.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)are usually referred to as "settlers" not Israelis unless they are killed by Palestinians then when they are killed in a manner that can be politically useful they become Israelis, one would think that in itself is offensive 
bemildred
(90,061 posts)It's quite an old complaint, the depersonalization of everything in the news, the replacement of dead people with absract strategic or tactical justifications for their deadness, the speaking of objects as though they had volition, etc.
TomClash
(11,344 posts)To the sh*t deemed fit to print and the zealot's desire to post the fool's riposte.
shira
(30,109 posts)TomClash
(11,344 posts)You will get a substantive refutation.
shira
(30,109 posts)TomClash
(11,344 posts)We have more than you and you've got nothing.
still_one
(92,136 posts)It depends on the media source and time frame
There was a period when the us media was very to Israel, up until the mid 80s
It was at that time when things started to change
The press started turning negative toward Israel probably around the time Israel went into Lebanon
A book called double vision by Zev Chafetz's documents this.
Today I think you will not find too much objective analysis of the situation on both sides
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think you've mischaracterized it.
still_one
(92,136 posts)the media was pushing its anti-Israeli bias. It was the republican party, with such people as percy and mcclosky(sic), who were very anti-Israeli back then. Much of the U.S. press also took an anti-Isreali trend also.
It changed when bush become president from what I observed. The U.S. press started to walk in lock step with a positive bias toward Israel at that time.
I was just giving my impressions. I have seen coverage of Israel shift both ways at different periods. It was either mostly positive or mostly negative during a particular decade, but not so balanced.
In addition, my reference is mostly regarding the U.S. media. In my view the European media has always had a mostly an anti-Israeli slant. However, they also seem to have a pretty strong anti-Arab slant also.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The book gives a very different time frame and doesn't suggest that the media was previously unfairly biased in favor of Israel.
In any case, I do agree with the general thrust of your argument, regardless of my opinion about the way you characterized the book.
shira
(30,109 posts)The BBC World Service would not dream of promoting David Duke or a member of Combat 18, even if they also happened to be rather good at tap dancing. So the question is; why can the BBC either not identify Gilad Atzmon for what he really is or justify giving him air-time if it does?
http://bbcwatch.org/2012/10/14/bbc-world-service-hosts-antisemite-gilad-atzmon/
It's a good thing there is no widespread antisemitism problem in the world. Sarcasm.
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)though I know that David Duke was interviewed on America's NPR after the election of Obama. BUT as regards the British media, Nick Griffin the BNP leader was on Question Time in 2009, and in 2002, the Today programme broadcast a debate which included both Nick Griffin and Abu Hamza (how much evil can you get into one room?!)
Stephen Lennon aka Tommy Robinson, the leader of the English Defence League, was interviewed by Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight not long ago.
Unfortunately, controversy - which often means plain viciousness- attracts audiences. It is not restricted to anti-Israel views - though I daresay that most of the people I've mentioned here are antisemites among other things..
shira
(30,109 posts)
shira
(30,109 posts)Proving once again there isn't much difference between the Guardian and Hamas' official website...
http://networkedblogs.com/EOgvs
Walter Russell Mead says it best:
shira
(30,109 posts)Thus far, the Guardian has not devoted any coverage to the attack on Noam.
Their dearth of coverage regarding the attempted murder of a little Israeli girl stands in contrast to their coverage, in July, of a 5-year-old Palestinian boy who was briefly detained by Israeli troops after throwing rocks at cars near Hebron. Here’s a snapshot of the Guardian video report on the incident:
http://cifwatch.com/2013/10/07/is-the-guardian-unmoved-by-the-recent-terror-attack-on-a-9-year-old-israeli-girl/
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