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ericson00

(2,707 posts)
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:54 PM Mar 2016

Hard Times at BDS High

http://observer.com/2016/03/hard-times-at-bds-high/

It’s been a disappointing couple of months for the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions crowd. In January, in what seemed sure to be a lay-up for reflexively anti-Israel academics targeting the Jewish state, the American Historical Association instead dealt the BDS folks a stinging blow, defeating by a more than 2 to 1 margin a resolution condemning Israel for what were claimed to be violations of Palestinian academic freedom.

Last month at McGill University in Montreal, where the BDS movement has been strong and anti-Israelism is deeply-rooted, BDS forces failed for the third time in 18 months to pass an anti-Israel motion. McGill’s undergraduates rejected the latest one by a 57 percent to 43 percent vote.

A new Gallup poll released in late February found that despite an intensified effort to discredit Israel on American campuses, Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 declare their sympathies with Israel rather than the Palestinians by 54 percent to 23 percent. American support for Israel in general is steady at 62 percent and support for the Palestinians is down slightly to 15 percent, and sympathy for Israel among Democrats has actually risen over the past year.
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Hard Times at BDS High (Original Post) ericson00 Mar 2016 OP
It's a tiny but vocal minority this BDS gang , King_David Mar 2016 #1
while the article is good news, let's not kid ourselves ericson00 Mar 2016 #3
"sympathy for Israel among Democrats has actually risen over the past year." King_David Mar 2016 #2
and its still a huge ratio of I to P. ericson00 Mar 2016 #4
THIS! I'm so happy that you post on this forum. grossproffit Mar 2016 #5
yep 53% of Dem's 56% of indi's and 79% of republican sympathize/support Israel azurnoir Mar 2016 #6
2.5:1, 3.73:1, 11:1, and America overall: over 4:1. ericson00 Mar 2016 #7
yes but those ah "margins" are being greatly pumped up by Republicans azurnoir Mar 2016 #8
learn to read: the 2.5:1 margin is Democrats alone ericson00 Mar 2016 #11
no 53% supporting Israel equates to 2.5 times more? fuzzy math indeed azurnoir Mar 2016 #12
53% Israel, 23% Palestinians ericson00 Mar 2016 #13
this is a poll not an election or a contest 53% of Dems and 79% of Reps support/ sympathize azurnoir Mar 2016 #14
what is so hard to accept about the fact a lot more like Israel compared to Palestinians? ericson00 Mar 2016 #15
I'm comparing support /sympathy for Israel based on political party affiliation azurnoir Mar 2016 #17
I support BDS simply because I'm opposed to Apartheid. Little Tich Mar 2016 #9
Bullshit. You oppose any 2 state proposal from the past 80 years... shira Mar 2016 #18
Haaretz: Leading Israeli Sociologist Calls for Boycott of West Bank University Little Tich Mar 2016 #10
Latest boycott victories signify new momentum for BDS Israeli Mar 2016 #16

King_David

(14,851 posts)
1. It's a tiny but vocal minority this BDS gang ,
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

They have 25 supporters here on DU and a lot more at the extremist right wing sites.
But people see through that bigoted bunch of bullies.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
3. while the article is good news, let's not kid ourselves
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:18 PM
Mar 2016
most of (but not all) the Israel hate (in the US) comes from the leftward facing direction, tho in Europe its a little more balanced, tho the extreme-left is still the foremost peddler (with the far-right not too far behind). Luckily, I think AIPAC and Congressional Dems and others are doing a great job of stopping it, and maybe even reversing it.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
6. yep 53% of Dem's 56% of indi's and 79% of republican sympathize/support Israel
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

I hope the number stay at least in proportion too


ps some of this stuff for the possible incoming spin

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
7. 2.5:1, 3.73:1, 11:1, and America overall: over 4:1.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 08:57 PM
Mar 2016

in recent 3:2 (1.5:1) elections in this country (1984, 1972), a candidate has won 49 states.

raw percentages don't mean anything: its all about the margins (which are HUGE in Israel's favor).

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
8. yes but those ah "margins" are being greatly pumped up by Republicans
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

so much so that the numbers of Dems and Indi's actually bring down those margins from they would be if was only Republicans good number spin, I've been seeing lot's of that lately all over DU

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
11. learn to read: the 2.5:1 margin is Democrats alone
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 01:20 AM
Mar 2016

and Reagan and Nixon only beat Mondale nationwide roughly 1.5:1. You can thus add the 50th state to such an electoral victory.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
12. no 53% supporting Israel equates to 2.5 times more? fuzzy math indeed
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:35 AM
Mar 2016

and I'm not quite sure why you're going on about Reagan and Nixon but once again here's the numbers

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
13. 53% Israel, 23% Palestinians
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:36 AM
Mar 2016

contests and elections are not decided by the difference from 100%, at least in this country (especially cuz few states have runoffs for below 50%)

Reagan beat Mondale by 18%. Nixon beat McGovern by 23.2%. Both won 49 states. If Israel were a party nominee and the Palestinians were another, winning by 27% would almost certainly get it 50 states plus DC.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
14. this is a poll not an election or a contest 53% of Dems and 79% of Reps support/ sympathize
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:39 AM
Mar 2016

with Israel

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
15. what is so hard to accept about the fact a lot more like Israel compared to Palestinians?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:45 AM
Mar 2016

no matter what party, by huge margins (and margin means "difference," not vote total in a vacuum.)

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
17. I'm comparing support /sympathy for Israel based on political party affiliation
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:53 AM
Mar 2016

I've said nothing about support for Palestinians, I'll leave that for the expected morning pile on here

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
9. I support BDS simply because I'm opposed to Apartheid.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:53 PM
Mar 2016

This issue won't go away for as long as there's Apartheid in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
18. Bullshit. You oppose any 2 state proposal from the past 80 years...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 06:53 AM
Mar 2016

....that would end your notion of "Apartheid".

Because like BDS, you're against the Jewish state of Israel. That's what you really find intolerable.


Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
10. Haaretz: Leading Israeli Sociologist Calls for Boycott of West Bank University
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:12 AM
Mar 2016

Source: Haaretz

Prof. Uri Ram, who heads the Israeli Sociological Society, urged colleagues to boycott academic institute in settlement of Ariel.

An Israeli professor urged fellow academics on Monday to shun a Jewish settlement college in the occupied West Bank, a move that could effectively import an international pro-Palestinian boycott movement. 

Prof. Uri Ram of Ben-Gurion Univeristy, the new chair of the Israel Sociological Society, said Monday that he thinks "the Israel Sociological Society cannot sit on the fence and ignore decades of occupation. The society has no right to exist if it is not involved in the society in which it lives."

The sociological society will discuss a possible boycott of Ariel University in the West Bank at a meeting of the society’s leadership in early April.

The decision to hold the discussion was made after a researcher from Ariel University, Dr. Uzi Ben Shalom, a co-chair and member of one of the organization's communities (professional subcommittees), asked to hold a conference at his university. Members of the community, which focus on the field of military sociology, expressed reservations and asked that the organization's directors consider the issue of cooperation with Ariel University.

Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.708754

Israeli

(4,139 posts)
16. Latest boycott victories signify new momentum for BDS
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:48 AM
Mar 2016

By Michael Schaeffer Omer-Man
Published March 13, 2016

That people are openly questioning whether policy changes by multinational corporations are the result of BDS is itself already a victory.

Boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) activists have had quite a bit to celebrate in recent months. High profile companies targeted by BDS like SodaStream, Orange, Veolia, and now Ahava and G4S have all moved out of Israeli West Bank settlements or out of the Israeli market altogether.

Of course, none of those companies, with the partial exception of SodaStream and Orange, will admit the changes have anything to do with the Palestinian-led movement trying to build international pressure on Israel to end the occupation and recognize various fundamental Palestinian rights.

And while BDS proponents and opponents will trade barbs arguing whether each case constitutes a victory or a “#BDSFail,” the fact that people are openly questioning whether policy changes by multinational corporations are the result of BDS is itself already a victory.


Ahava’s decision to move a few kilometers south of the Green Line will not save the dying Dead Sea, return Palestine’s plundered resources, or end the occupation. G4S’s decision to pull out of the Israeli state security market will not end Israel’s use of administrative detention or torture in the prisons the company once helped secure.

Veolia’s decision not to renew contracts in the settlements will not stop subsidized Jewish-only bus lines running throughout the West Bank nor will it make it any less convenient to be a settler. And SodaStream’s move into Israel proper did actually harm Palestinian workers, albeit only because the Israel government decided to retaliate against them by refusing to issue work permits.

What will change is that other companies will now think twice before bidding on contracts in Israel and the occupied territories, before trying to sell their products and services in Israel and the settlements, and yet others already here will see withdrawing from the Israeli market as more and more of a legitimate option.

People have often asked me whether BDS is working and my answers are often cynical. “Talk to me when HP and Intel pull out of Israel,” I would respond. But the truth of the matter is that although that day is still impossibly far off, it is the momentum built by smaller victories that make larger steps even imaginable.


The success of the boycott movement thus far, even with concrete victories like SodaStream, Ahava and G4S, has been largely psychological. It has merely suggested to Israelis that there will be a price for continuing the occupation, even if the consequences are nowhere in sight. And Israelis are noticing.

The State of Israel is investing over NIS 100 million a year in hasbara and fighting BDS. Damaging diplomatic fights are being picked over inconsequential terms of existing trade agreements (EU settlement product labels). Local government bodies are hiring public relations firms to fight back on behalf of foreign corporations — like Airbnb — under attack for doing business in the settlements. The country’s top-selling newspaper is even trying to monetize the national mobilization against the boycott movement with a BDS-themed conference.

But that suggestion, that there might be consequences for perpetuating the occupation indefinitely, is not in any way a sure-fire harbinger of change. It does not guarantee that Israelis will wake up one day, find themselves isolated from the world, understand why, and decide to end the occupation.

For that to happen, both societies will need to be graced with a leadership which understands that Israelis and Palestinians have no choice but to live here together — as equals. Jewish Israelis will need to face the fact that abdicating their Jewish privilege is the only way to create real equality. And Palestinians will need to accept that regardless of how they got here 70 years ago, the vast majority of Israelis have nowhere else to go.

The boycott is not a solution — it is a tactic. It is also not above criticism; the BDS movement could do far better about distinguishing between legitimate and illegitimate acts of boycott, of actively condemning and distancing itself from seemingly inevitable instances of anti-Semitism, and acknowledging the inherent shortcomings of a rights-based discourse in such an emotionally charged and multi-dimensional conflict.

Yet as long as there is no political or diplomatic horizon, as long as the power dynamic allows Israel to dictate the terms of any negotiations, as long as the occupation seems hopelessly unending, BDS is one of the most powerful non-violent tools available for Palestinians to fight for their fundamental rights, and for enlisting allies around the world to fight alongside them.

Source: http://972mag.com/latest-boycott-victories-signify-new-momentum-for-bds/117846/

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