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shira

(30,109 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:00 PM Mar 2016

BDS’s fascist narrative

...Perhaps because of the fact that a lot of people had no idea that I was Jewish, because I’m not the American stereotype, I have been privy my whole life to hearing things non-Jews say about Jews, which they might not say if they knew they were speaking in front of one.

...BDS is right wing and fascist, make no mistake — the fact that it pretends to be of the Left helps to obscure the fact of the ethnic cleansing of Jews and Christians in all Arab states, happening since 1948, when the entire Arab world began its still ongoing boycott of Israel.

...BDS is part of what I call the fake left — that peculiar left whose spokespeople are from privilege — like Ali Abunimah, whose father was the Jordanian ambassador to the UN and Max Blumenthal, trust-funder son of war profiteer Sidney Blumenthal. This Left cares nothing about unions or working people, their wages, their health coverage, their fair share of the profits they work to produce, which is, incidentally, what The Actual Left lives breathes and fights FOR.

This fake Left of trust-funders of privilege have created a profitable worldwide network to slander, threaten blood libel Jews with the same trash the Czars of Russia, and Spanish Inquisitors Nazis and Hamans used throughout the witchburning European middle ages, where hundreds of thousands if not millions of Jewish women and men were thought to be witches and BDSed, then burnt at the stake for the canard that we were the cause of the Bubonic Plague.

...When the far Left and the far Right think of freedom, both of them think they need to defend Nazi’s rights to speak in threatening condemnation of Jews, but NOT ever the other way around.

read more: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/bdss-fascist-narrative/

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BDS’s fascist narrative (Original Post) shira Mar 2016 OP
And Netanyahu Seeks World Peace Meteor Man Mar 2016 #1
Bingo peacebird Mar 2016 #2
BDS bigots hate Israel's center left as well, so let's not pretend it's about Bibi. n/t shira Mar 2016 #3
Reality Check Meteor Man Mar 2016 #4
Links Not Working Meteor Man Mar 2016 #5
Falsely accusing Israel of apartheid IS hate speech. Fozzledick Mar 2016 #6
Did Horton Hear A Who? Meteor Man Mar 2016 #7
Enjoy your stay shenmue Mar 2016 #9
Max Blumenthal King_David Mar 2016 #18
This is what pro-settlements propaganda looks like. Little Tich Mar 2016 #8
Lets see Little Tich...... Israeli Mar 2016 #10
So Israeli Jews Have Diverse Opinions Meteor Man Mar 2016 #11
Talmudic scholars? Classy. Stormfront comes to DU. n/t shira Mar 2016 #12
Really? Stormfront has Rabbis? Meteor Man Mar 2016 #17
Israeli, your very own Uri Avnery opposes BDS. Why pretend otherwise? shira Mar 2016 #14
Seriously shira ..... Israeli Mar 2016 #15
Tich, BDS is not just against settlements. It's a hate movement against Israel.... shira Mar 2016 #13
Tell Chomsky & Finkelstein they're pro-settlements for opposing BDS shira Mar 2016 #16

Meteor Man

(385 posts)
1. And Netanyahu Seeks World Peace
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:07 PM
Mar 2016

Please. I beg of you. Try not to make yourself look like an idiot. Accusing Netenyahu critics of being Nazis is jumping the shark on steroids.

Meteor Man

(385 posts)
5. Links Not Working
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:54 PM
Mar 2016

Dangerous Agenda for the U.S.: Attack Free Speech and Criminalize Resistance
With help from influential liberals, pro-Israel lobbyists push to define resisting Israeli apartheid as hate speech.
By Max Blumenthal / AlterNet
March 28, 2016|

[link:http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/israel-lobbys-dangerous-agenda-us-attack-free-speech-and-criminalize-resistance|

Fozzledick

(3,860 posts)
6. Falsely accusing Israel of apartheid IS hate speech.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

It's part of a malicious propaganda campaign intended to provoke hatred and violence.

Meteor Man

(385 posts)
7. Did Horton Hear A Who?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 12:15 AM
Mar 2016

Who is accusing Israel of apartheid?

How is the accusation that Netenyahu is a war criminal false?

Who is provoking hatred AND violence against Israel?

Are you being rational or spreading propaganda?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
18. Max Blumenthal
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 12:54 PM
Mar 2016

Is a nobody... That would be like backing up an argument using Silverstein or Mondoweiss....
High on Ego , low on credibility.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
8. This is what pro-settlements propaganda looks like.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 12:49 AM
Mar 2016

Every issue but the real issue is brought up. The real issue is the settlements, and Roseanne Barr seems oblivious to their existence. I don't believe that Roseanne Barr is that stupid, I just think that she's intellectually dishonest, and that her article is directed towards a low level information audience.

Israeli

(4,141 posts)
10. Lets see Little Tich......
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:35 AM
Mar 2016

shira has given us the words of an American comedian that does not live here .

In contrast try here , an American/Israeli renowned journalist who does live here :

Bradley Burston is a Haaretz columnist and Senior Editor of Haaretz.com which publishes his blog, "A Special Place in Hell."
During the first Palestinian uprising, Burston served as Gaza correspondent for the Jerusalem Post, and was the paper's military correspondent in the 1991 Gulf War.
In the mid-1990s he covered Israeli-Arab peace talks for Reuters. In 2006, he received the Eliav-Sartawi Award for Mideast Journalism, presented at the United Nations.
A native of Los Angeles, Burston moved to Israel after graduation from Berkeley. He was part of a group which established Kibbutz Gezer, between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
Burston served in the IDF as a combat medic, later studying medicine in Be'er Sheva for two years before turning to journalism. He is married and has two daughters.


Dear U.S. Jews: Israel's Sending You the Apartheid Choice for N.Y. Envoy. Send It Back

If you are an American Jew who wants to foster the values of democracy, equality, self-determination and human rights in Israel, now is the time to stand up and raise your voice against the appointment of Dani Dayan.

Bradley Burston Mar 29, 2016

Dear American Jews,

I don't often ask you for stuff. Bad as things get over here in Israel, I know you've got your hands full over there too. Especially if you're trying to balance a progressive political outlook and a passion for human rights, with your feelings for an Israel which seems to get farther lost by the day.

But there is one thing. And it's something that you yourself can do something about.

On Monday morning, Benjamin Netanyahu's office issued an oddly short message, announcing that the prime minister "has decided to appoint Dani Dayan as Consul General in New York."

This is what the message left out:

Last year, Netanyahu appointed Dayan as ambassador to Brazil. Brazil was unwilling to accept the former long-time chief of the settlement movement, a man who strongly supports permanent Israeli rule over the millions of Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem

Now, to Israel's crucial ally the United States, for one of Israel's most crucial diplomatic posts in the world, at a time when Israel's relations with Washington have sunk to the lowest level in memory, the prime minister is sending a man whose appointment sparked a severe diplomatic rift between Israel and the largest country in South America.

Now, as a principal envoy to the most important of all Diaspora Jewish communities, a Jewish community which has long and vocally supported a two-state solution, Netanyahu has chosen a man who wrote in a 2012 opinion piece in The New York Times that Israel's moral claim to the whole of the West Bank was "unassailable" and that an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel was "a recipe for disaster."

To a Jewish community with grave reservations about the consequences of the settlement enterprise and its destructive impact on democracy and economics in Israel, and on peace, security, and human rights throughout the Holy Land, Israel is sending a man who declared, "The settlements of Judea and Samaria are not the problem — they are part of the solution."
This is a man whose temper and vindictiveness and self-satisfaction can be such that when his appointment to the New York post was made public, he told Israel's state radio: "Those who did not want me in Brasilia, capital of Brazil, will get me in New York, the capital of the world."

This is a man who, although acknowledging and even decrying the widespread and profound injustices of the Israeli occupation of the West Bank in a 2014 article ("There is no practical or moral justification for a different legal policy for Palestinians and Israelis&quot put forth no plan to offer Palestinians the right to vote, nor any possibility of future self-determination.
Herein lies the most serious issue. A significant portion of Israel's political and diplomatic leadership, including its deputy foreign minister Tzipi Hotovely and its UN ambassador Danny Danon, make no distinction between the West Bank and Israel.

If they're right, if the West Bank is, in fact, already part and parcel of Israel, if the occupation is permanent and Israel has, de facto, annexed the West Bank with its millions of Palestinans disenfranchised, denied basic human rights, and subject to an entirely separate and unequal system of justice, then  we - all Israelis - are already living in an apartheid state.


The diplomat-designate who says that the West Bank is already an indivisible part of Israel, and who is unprepared to give Palestinians the vote or any change of self-determination,  will effectively be Israel's New York advocate for apartheid.

In a Monday interview, Dayan told Army Radio that his greatest challenge as consul general would be “to state Israel’s positions in liberal language.”

Y'think?

Hotovely, congratulating Dayan on Monday, suggested that the appointment was an important victory for the settlement movement. “The State of Israel will benefit from a worthy representative who lives in the settlements of Judea and Samaria and will bear an important message to the effect that the State of Israel stands behind Dani as a loyal and worthy representative of the state."

For some time now - whether because of vicious insults by senior ruling coalition figures directed at Reform Jews, or because of years of relentlessly pro-Republican, vehemently anti-Obama administration official statements and actions - you may well have sensed that the Netanyahu government was treating you not only with disregard, but with outright contempt.

As it turns out, you were right.

So this is what I'm asking. Stand up. Raise your voice. Contact the Israeli consulate in your area. You can find their contact information by clicking here.

Better yet, contact the White House and the State Department, asking that they delay indefinitely their acceptance of Dayan's credentials, as the Brazilian government did.

Write to them. Call them. Tell them that the appointment sends a message which is contrary to the outlook of most of the very Jews the Consulate serves.
Contact the media. Contact your synagogue. Organize. Demonstrate.
Post on Benjamin Netanyahu's Facebook pages, here and here.
Post again and again.

You can have an impact on the direction Israel is heading. You can have an impact on the direction in which Israel is taking American Judaism, large portions of which are drifting away from this Israel, Netanyahu's Israel, in lack of identification, or dislike, or disgust, or horror.
If you are an American Jew who wants to foster the values of democracy, equality, self-determination and human rights in Israel, now is the time to stand up and raise your voice against the appointment of Dani Dayan.

You don't have to take this lying down. You don't have to take this at all.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.711382

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
14. Israeli, your very own Uri Avnery opposes BDS. Why pretend otherwise?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:20 AM
Mar 2016

BDS is a hate movement.

Avnery opposes it. Why can't you?

===============

As to Bradley Burston, you just quoted him but he doesn't trust BDS either:
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/.premium-1.658178

Maybe you can set Burston straight on BDS. Let him know whether it's for 1-state or 2-states.

Israeli

(4,141 posts)
15. Seriously shira .....
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:15 AM
Mar 2016

see : http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134125907

quote :

" Nobody is happy with BDS 6chars ....but its a fact we are all learning to live with :..... "

I would say that what worries Avnery, Bradley Burston and I is not so much BDS's influence on a 1-state but our current Gov's wish for one .

see : http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134125907#post43

post #43

Israeli government votes to support annexing West Bank settlements


 

shira

(30,109 posts)
13. Tich, BDS is not just against settlements. It's a hate movement against Israel....
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:10 AM
Mar 2016

Read Uri Avnery's article I just kicked.

If you oppose settlements only, then join Avnery and oppose the racist, anti-Israel BDS movement.

Stop pretending that by opposing BDS, that equates to support of settlements.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
16. Tell Chomsky & Finkelstein they're pro-settlements for opposing BDS
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:02 AM
Mar 2016

First, the pro-settlement anti-Palestinian racist rightwing propagandist Norm Finkelstein...

I’ve earned my right to speak my mind, and I’m not going to tolerate what I think is silliness, childishness, and a lot of leftist posturing.

I mean we have to be honest, and I loathe the disingenuous. They don’t want Israel. They think they are being very clever; they call it their three-tier. We want the end of the occupation, the right of return, and we want equal rights for Arabs in Israel. And they think they are very clever because they know the result of implementing all three is what, what is the result?

You know and I know what the result is. There’s no Israel!

. . .

It’s not an accidental and unwitting omission that BDS does not mention Israel. You know that and I know that. It’s not like they’re “oh we forgot to mention it.” They won’t mention it because they know it will split the movement. ‘Cause there’s a large segment of the movement that wants to eliminate Israel.

. . .

Are you going to reach a broad public which is going to hear the Israeli side ‘they want to destroy us?’ No you’re not. And frankly you know what you shouldn’t. You shouldn’t reach a broad public because you’re dishonest. And I wouldn’t trust those people if I had to live in this state. I wouldn’t. It’s dishonesty.






And here's the pro-settlement propagandist & racist rightwinger Noam Chomsky...


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