Protesters torch Israeli flag outside Democratic National Convention

[ericson00]

http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Protester-torch-Israeli-flag-outside-Democratic-National-Convention-462504

Left-wing protesters demonstrating outside of the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia on Tuesday night torched Israeli and American flags amid chants of "intifada!" and "go home, F*** Hillary!"

Wall Street Journal reporter Byron Tau tweeted images from the scene along with video of the demonstrators igniting a number of pro-Bernie Sanders posters placed on the fence outside the convention venue at the the Wells Fargo Center.

Scapegoating, anyone?

[notadmblnd]

1. Are Americans now required to have reverence to that particular foreign nation's flag?

Who else has been written into the script of who we as Americans must worship? And are we expected to be as Isaac- and be willing to sacrifice our sons?

[King_David]

3. They chanted F--- Hillary and burnt the USA flag too

Fuck them!

[ericson00]

4. if Republican National Convention delegates

burned Palestinian flags, I bet we'd hear cries of "Islamophobia," "imperialism," "racism," yada yada yada.

These crazies also burned American flags too. Anti-Israelism and anti-Americanism have a lot of "intersectionality," if you will.

[notadmblnd]

7. I may not agree with what people do. But I do still believe n the 1st Amendment and I will defend

other rights to employ it to the end.

So what about my other questions? Who/what else is scared and who am I expected to put up for sacrifice to them?

[oberliner]

5. Is there any other foreign nation's flag that was burned at this protest?

Or just Israel's?

[notadmblnd]

8. I don't care what nation's flags were burned. People exercising their 1st amendments

is what I'll defend forever. Or is the 1st Amendment the first thing we throw out as a requirement of worshiping our new Gods?

[oberliner]

9. Just saying it's not really about showing deference

It's just common courtesy not to set fire to the flag of another country.

[notadmblnd]

10. No, it's about people exercising their 1st Amendment rights.

Somehow I don't think there would be the same number of objections to an American burning a North Korean, Chinese or Russian flag. Do you?

[oberliner]

11. They have a right to burn whatever flag they want

And people have a right to be pissed off about it.

[notadmblnd]

13. IMO, if it pisses one off- one has no reverence for that particular amendment of the Constitution.

And people defending the shutting down of the employment of the First Amendment of our American Constitution is pretty damn scary in itself.

[leftynyc]

31. So when those nazis marched in that

Jewish neighborhood the people who were upset about it don't give a shit about the first amendment? You seem to confuse the fact that people have the right to say something means they get a free ride on the consequences of that speech. A lot of people who don't actually understand the amendment make the same mistake. Absolutely NOBODY is saying they didnt' have the right to burn the flag - we're saying they were fucking imbeciles for doing so.

[ericson00]

12. You don't see Trump supporters Mexican or Chinese flags

burning flags is not a civil act.

the countries you mention are also not allies of the US, nor do Americans like those countries and none of them is rated "Free" by Freedom House.

Also, you don't see anyone here burn those flags much despite that they're all US adversaries. Let alone as some kind of statement at a political convention.

[notadmblnd]

14. One only has to look at this board to know that others are not always civil

This is a privately owned site and the owners here can shut down what they want as has been clearly displayed.

The exercising of the 1st amendment many not be a civil act, but it is THE first tenet of our Constitution. Are you ready to throw out our Constitution or just certain rights?

[leftynyc]

32. Your hyperbolic bullshit is nothing but a strawman

There is NOBODY on this thread calling for arresting these people. They get to burn the flag and I get to call them imbeciles. That amendment works both ways.

[notadmblnd]

33. Look through- I never said they were

But in your haste to make hateful personal comments- I suppose you overlooked that little fact.

[leftynyc]

35. I'M hateful?

You're all over this thread whining about how anyone who is complaining (in other words, using our first amendment rights) about flag burning hates the constitution. You seem to be under the delusion there are zero consequences to free speech and it's making you look very foolish.

[notadmblnd]

36. Is English your second language?

[leftynyc]

37. Insults don't sway me one bit

and just make you look like you're losing the discussion. I'm done here.

[notadmblnd]

38. I don't know why you bothered to begin with.

You have a nice day now.

[notadmblnd]

15. I may not like what Trump or his supporters say, but I defend their right to say it.

[Fozzledick]

16. That's not the issue.

I don't see anyone here demanding that they be arrested, just criticizing them for their hatred and malice.

Do you have a problem with posters here expressing their opinions?

[notadmblnd]

17. Neither was it was the with the poster I was replying to.

Care to answer my questions? Didn't think so- or you would not have deflected.

[aranthus]

18. No. You're the one who deflected.

By raising the false issue of the 1st Amendment, when no one has challenged their 1st Amendment rights. Then you ask a false and misleading question: " Are Americans now required to have reverence to that particular foreign nation's flag?" Because no one has said that people should have reverence for the Israeli flag. So the obvious answer to your question is "No." The rest of your questions are equally false and clearly deflections of the thread. Why are you so passionate about changing the subject? You say you may not agree with what people do, but you will defend their right to speak. Great. Why then are you stomping on the people on this thread who are exercising their right to speak in criticism of those who burn the Israeli flag? More to the point, do you in fact agree with those who burned the Israeli flag? It looks like you do, and that is why you are so desperately trying to change the subject.

[notadmblnd]

19. I began by asking questions which no one yet has bothered to answer

And when people began commenting (because the OP posted the article with no comment) negatively with replies such as "fuck them!", I brought up the Constitution and the 1st Amendment.


And I never claimed that anyone was calling for anyone's arrest over this. But I find it ironic how people who have adopted the "Progressive Democrat" label for themselves are so damn eager to put others down for exercising their 1st Amendment right. Is this the new definition of what a "Progressive Democrat now is? Cause it sounds pretty GOP to me.

[aranthus]

20. False questions.

I did answer your first question. The answer was "No." Your other questions were equally false. They assumed facts that are blatantly untrue. Let's look at your other questions.

First: "Who else has been written into the script of who we as Americans must worship?" Everyone can see that your question assumes that Israel has been written into a script of who we are to worship. Except when you wrote that you told a big fat lie. No one has been written into a script that Americans are supposed to worship. So the answer to your dishonest question is, "No one. And no one at all has been written into a script that Americans should worship.

Second: "And are we expected to be as Isaac- and be willing to sacrifice our sons?" No. No one is asking anyone to sacrifice their sons for anything. You made that up. More lies from you.

What is troubling is that the questions you ask reek of antisemitism. All anyone here has done is criticize the hatefulness of people who burned the Israeli flag and shouted "F*** Hillary," They spoke out for common decency, and you are by implication accusing them of "worshiping" Israel, and wanting to sacrifice Americans for Israel. The lies assumed by your questions are antisemitism.

So now I have answered your questions. Will you answer mine? I'll ask again. Do you agree with those who burned the Israeli flag? Do you agree with those who shouted "F*** Hillary?"

[notadmblnd]

24. No quetion is false. However, many many answers are outright lies.

[aranthus]

25. So you're dodging.

You asked BS questions. A BS question is one that assumes a false fact as part of the question (a good example is found in "My Cousin Vinnie&quot . Your questions assumed things that were lies, as I have already pointed out. And now twice you have refused to answer my sincere questions. Oh well; no one can say I didn't give you a chance.

[harrose]

21. They certainly have the right to do so...

... and we certainly have the right to criticize them.

[notadmblnd]

34. I never told anyone not to express themselves

I certainly expressed myself and look at the shit I get from you people for it. I guess it's a different set of rules I must follow, huh?

[King_David]

2. They should join a different party

I wouldn't share my party with them ... Big tent ? Anyone chanting F--- Hillary doesn't deserve a chance.

[grossproffit]

22. Disgusting.

[ericson00]

23. this kind of thing is precisely why during the primary,

I was with her. This kind of thing has zero business in voters of a candidate of a mainstream party. Ever.

[tonyt53]

26. This bunch wasn't "with" Bernie or anybody else. They are anti-establishment anarchists.

It makes no difference who the president is, it has no effect on their lives.

[Doodley]

27. Trump's obnoxiousness seems to be contagious.

[TeddyR]

28. Israel is the US's staunchest ally in the Middle East

And while I firmly support the First Amendment right to burn whatever you want, I don't want those people in the Democratic Party.

[ericson00]

29. agreed! That kind of idiocy shown in the pictures really are best not partaking in the electorate

[Little Tich]

30. Flag burning is never OK.

Even though it's considered protected speech, it's still a shitty thing to do.