At least four dead in Palestinian truck-ramming attack in Jerusalem: police

[oberliner]

A Palestinian rammed his truck into a group of Israeli soldiers on a popular promenade in Jerusalem on Sunday, killing four people and injuring about 15 others in a deliberate attack, police and emergency services said.

Police identified the driver as a Palestinian from Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem and said he was shot dead. A dozen bullet holes pockmarked the windscreen.

It was the deadliest Palestinian attack in Jerusalem in months and targeted officer cadets who were disembarking from a bus that brought them to the Armon Hanatziv promenade, a stone-laden and grass-lined walkway with a panoramic view of the walled Old City.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-truck-idUSKBN14S0E3

[HoneyBadger]

1. So much for peace

[branford]

4. This was the 51st vehicular terror attack in Israel since Sept 2015.

Hamas is already celebrating, and I assume the PA will soon be paying the family a "hero's pension."

If the past is indicative, the family is probably tied to various terror groups and/or knew of the attack.

Who do you believe is the party warranting retaliation?

[branford]

6. You didn't answer my question or really address the issue in my post.

I understand you don't want to see any retaliation against purportedly innocent parties. However, many of those parties are often not nearly as innocent as you suggest.

If the family is associated with various terror groups and/or knew of the attack, are they legitimate targets of reprisal?

Similarly, if the PA lauds the terrorist as a hero or martyr and then even goes further and financially compensates the family (with a budget mostly comprising aid received from the EU and USA), is the PA a legitimate target of retaliation?

Is property owned by the terrorist himself subject to destruction, even though it might benefit third-parties like family members?

Moreover, if you don't want to see Israel retaliate, wouldn't the most effective evidence that it would be unnecessary or unproductive almost certainly be demonstrated action by the PA (since this attacked originated in the West Bank or Jerusalem) that they are sincerely attempting to apprehend and punish all groups and individuals associated with the attack or planning others, and at the VERY least, not actually lionizing a murderer and financially rewarding his family?

[branford]

11. That's twice you've totally ignored the express point of my posts.

It appears you've developed a set of talking points after the all too common Palestinian terror attack, and dare not deviate from message. Discussing the families that routinely openly support terror organizations and know about and support the attacks by family members, or the open lionization and financial compensation offered to these "martyrs" using foreign aid by the "legitimate" government of the PA (when are those elections?) have disturbing implications that make it difficult to blame the Israelis every time a Palestinian so much as stubs a toe or might justify retaliatory measures.

I have no doubt you do not approve of attacks like the one on Sunday, but I'm not sure you actually blame the Palestinians who planned and executed it, excusing everything due to the "occupation," and similarly doubt you would approve of any Israeli retaliatory or security measures even in Abbas himself was caught on video ordering an attack.

[leftynyc]

18. Your last paragraph

aint nothing but 100% TRUTH.

[grossproffit]

3. Savages.

[oberliner]

9. Terrorist's sister: 'It's the most beautiful martyrdom'

The sister of Fadi Ahmad Al-Qunbar, who carried out the truck-ramming attack in Jerusalem on Sunday that killed four and wounded 17, welcomed the news of her brother's act of terrorism later in the day.

After learning of her 28-year-old brother's having slain one officer and three cadets in the IDF officers' training course in East Talpiot, also known as Armon Hanatziv, in the capital, Al-Qunbar's sister commented, "Praise be to God that he became a martyr. It's the most beautiful martyrdom."

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Visiting the scene of the attack on Sunday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that "according to all the signs, he was a supporter of ISIS."

Responding to claims that he was affiliated to a terrorist group, she said, "He didn't belong to any group or political movement. He carried out the attack on his own. Praise the Lord for him becoming a shahid. It is the most beautiful kind of saintly death."

Hamas praised the attack, trying to get #TruckIntifada trending on Twitter and handing out sweets in Gaza to celebrate it.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4904802,00.html

[branford]

12. If the PA actually sought to investigate and arrest

those who plan and execute attacks from the territories, Israel would not feel the need nor desire to engage in deterrence activities after such attacks to protect its civilians. If you recall, Israel refrained from such conduct for a long while, and things did not improve. Whether you like it or not, and while no strategy is 100% effective, these types of deterrence measures work. It's like the wall in the West Bank that's now rarely discussed. Everyone on your end of the ideological spectrum hated it, but it exponentially decreased attacks from the West Bank.

Moreover, while you are always quick to blame Israel for slights real and imagined, I rarely, if ever, read about any demands you make of the Palestinian Authority, to say nothing of the world-recognized terrorist group Hamas that governs Gaza, to operate a government and justice system worthy of a independent state, including in how the PA treats its own citizens.

[branford]

15. It's all talking points and never an actual response to a post.

Let's try this again...

Do you have any condemnation at all for the PA (or Hamas!) for not only their lack of action to bring to justice those who plan and execute attacks against Israeli civilians, but actual lauding and financially rewarding (with foreign aid) the families of these terrorists?

Do you even recall when, how and why these types of Israeli deterrence measures were even developed and implemented?

Is your view of the conflict so myopic that your only response to anything that doesn't portray the Palestinians as totally innocent victims without free agency or drive is to change the topic and fall back on tired talking points?

[oberliner]

16. Note that the poster chose a Nazi-era German term to describe what Israel is doing

For some reason.

[oberliner]

17. How did you happen to land on that particular term?

You don't really hear it used much these days.

[oberliner]

23. The Nazis created the term "Sippenhaft"

The Nazis created the term "Sippenhaft", meaning that the whole family is responsible for the acts of any of its members.

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/archives_article250/

That's from Uri Avnery who has applied it in relation to Israel in some of his writings.

Is that where you encountered it?

[oberliner]

26. That was a quote from Uri Avnery

I was asking if it was from him that you first encountered the connection between Israeli policy and that term which he identified as being associated with the Nazis.

Or did you just make that connection on your own without having read it elsewhere previously?

[oberliner]

28. It's certainly possible that Uri Avnery is wrong

I was just asking where you had seen that term applied to Israel before - or if you had just made the connection yourself.

[leftynyc]

19. Nazi terminology

You've simply given up all pretense, haven't you?

[leftynyc]

24. Changing the subject

from your use of nazi terminology isn't going to work. Not with me.