Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumAn open letter to Mitt Romney
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But the real problem with what your advisors are telling you are not the facts about U.S.-Israel relations over the past four yearsafter all, these can easily be distorted and discarded, as so often happens in election campaignsbut rather the facts about American Jews. Two facts in particular.
Fact number 1: Israel is not the top concern of American Jews, not even close. To be sure, most American Jews, roughly two-thirds, care a lot about Israel. They dont want anything bad to happen to it, and they do want the United States to support it. But Israel is not whats uppermost in their minds when they enter the voting booth. As long as they are confident that U.S. military and diplomatic support for Israel is not in jeopardy (and they have every reason to be), American Jews will vote according to who they think will be the best president for the United States, not for Israel.
In other words, American Jews vote as Americans, first and foremost. Like other Americans, what matters to them are the economy, healthcare, education and social issues like same-sex marriage and abortion. Only a very small minority cares more about Israel than anything else, most of them Orthodox Jews who are politically conservative and right-wing about Israel.
Which brings me to fact number 2: When it comes to domestic American issues, American Jews are decidedly liberal, maybe a bit less so than they were in the past, but still pretty liberal, especially when compared to those of a similar income level. While the reasons for American Jewish liberalism have long been a subject of debate among political scientists and sociologists - and a cause for much annoyance among Jewish neo-conservatives - the Jewish commitment to liberalism in the United States, which borders on a quasi-religious zeal, has persisted over many decades. Unfortunately for you, there is no indication that it is weakening now.
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/an-open-letter-to-mitt-romney.premium-1.454603
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... Ha'aretz write an open letter to Barack Obama chastising him for visiting Israel during his campaign in 2008?
Violet_Crumble
(35,955 posts)Enquiring minds would like to know...
bemildred
(90,061 posts)They publish all kinds of stuff, most of it sort of leftist, but not all.
LeftishBrit
(41,203 posts)He is chastizing Romney for using his visit to Israel as a vehicle for trying to get votes by supporting right-wing supposedly pro-Israel policies.
No one has objected to Obama's visits to the UK, and we didn't really object to Romney coming as such, but we did object to his idiotic and unpleasant behaviour when here.
aranthus
(3,385 posts)It does appear to be the election year pilgrimage, but Romney seems more blatant about it than his predecessors
aranthus
(3,385 posts)Also, the economy, where Romney stinks. And as for the economy, it's not a question of liberal or conservative. It's about what will work. Cutting taxes ala Romney won't get the econmoy going, because the problem is lack of demand, not lack of capital. Give a business a tax break and it still won't hire people unless there is a business reason to hire. And without demand, there's no reason to bring on new employees.
One other point. Romney's fawning about Israel is perceived by American Jews as pandering, insincere, and dangerous. I don't want the American President to be more pro-Israel than Israelis.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)when you put it that way it could be almost more like 'killing them with kindness' that goes doubly for Christian Zionists
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Because I'm not and this article is blocked for me.
Violet_Crumble
(35,955 posts)I couldn't see that one either, and as much as I find Ha'aretz an excellent source for articles, I'm not going to pay to subscribe to what should be free online content, at least not at the exhorbitant prices I saw quoted on the site...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Many of the articles are free - but a fair number of them are behind a paywall.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)for awhile articles were blocked then they all came back including this one and I still haven't paid them anything
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I find if you access from a concentrator (Google, Yahoo, NewsNow.UK) it comes up, the same stuff that other times you get a snippet and the paywall message. This was one of those. I couldn't find it anywhere else, and it's an important point, so I went with it.