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Related: About this forumIn New York, defiant Ahmadinejad says Israel will be "eliminated"
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-prepared-defend-against-israel-attack-ahmadinejad-123911011.htmlNEW YORK (Reuters) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday disregarded a U.N. warning to avoid incendiary rhetoric and declared ahead of the annual General Assembly session that Israel has no roots in the Middle East and would be "eliminated."
In remarks to reporters in New York, he also said he does not take seriously the threat that Israel could launch a military strike against Iran's nuclear facilities, denied sending arms into Syria, and called economic conditions in his sanctions-hit country "not as bad as they are portrayed."
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has hinted Israel could strike Iran's nuclear sites and has criticized U.S. President Barack Obama's position that sanctions and diplomacy should be given more time to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.
Iran denies that it is seeking nuclear arms and says its atomic work is peaceful, aimed at generating electricity.
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rog
(648 posts)... before you react.
Courtesy of DU'er nanabugg, just a few posts ahead of you, re: this same non-issue.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=243207
"We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated," Ahmadinejad added.
"Eliminated" refers to "disturbances."
Thank you.
.rog.
pelsar
(12,283 posts)who gave it to you and why does my code book have different definitions?
and if yours doesn't have the secret invisible seal on page 33.3 then we know its a fake one, so does it?
But I'm not going to get into it with you. English is my first language, and I understand grammatical structure pretty well. I do know how to read, and the actual quote stands on its own, for whatever it's worth, regardless of a person's political and ideological stance on the issue.
I believe in not making a bad situation worse.
Thank you so much.
.rog.
pelsar
(12,283 posts)since its also my first language where as "political speak" means whatever you want it to mean. Furthermore the quote does not stand in a vacuum it comes out of the mouth of a person with a lot of history, hence it should be taken with the content as to what that person has said in the past, unless of course hes now "found god" and has changed his mind about the zionist entity....
.. unless of course we dont want to, for our own ideological reasons, which is usually the case with this guy.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)mine says both sides are talkin' smack but that's mine
i dont know.......secret code words always confuse me....i lost my decoder ring in a box of cpt crunch years ago
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)"During a historical phase, they represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated."
Still, the word eliminated refers to Israel since Israel falls under the (abstract and dehumanized) category of 'disturbances". So seems to me he is saying Israel will be eliminated. Not meaning to be argumentative, but I don't see how you can interpret that any way but to mean: Israel will be eliminated.
.... just saying, let's not kid ourselves but instead let's be honest about it (re: what Iran intends to do).
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Who or what else could he be referring to?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)
shira
(30,109 posts)Ahmadinejad gets a pass for his bigotry due to the "actions" of the Jews, right?
"It has now been some 400 years that a horrendous Zionist clan has been ruling the major world affairs, and behind the scenes of the major power circles, in political, media, monetary, and banking organizations in the world, they have been the decision makers, to an extent that a big power with a huge economy and over 300 million population, the presidential election hopefuls must go kiss the feet of the Zionists to ensure their victory in the elections."
September 9, 2012
"Today, interactions in the international arena make it fully evident and clear that the leaders of this small international Zionist party make all of its decisions and imposes them on European leaders. The Zionists imposed World War I on Europe and today those countries are forced to admit their wrong doings. We are certain that the world will soon be rescued from the hand of the Zionists."
"Why is it that world leaders are still sensitive to and emphasize the Holocaust? Politicians normally don't pay significant attention to history and the past. The reason for the sensitivities is that the Holocaust is the excuse for the establishment of the Zionist regime, and is an active agent used in the political environment. The Zionist regime relies on the Holocaust and if it's take away from the regime, the philosophy of its existence disappears and all politics in the international arena which where were based on it will come undone."
Why give Ahmadinejad's vile bigotry a pass?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)he says Zionists but you say The Jews meaning every Jew everywhere?
eyl
(2,499 posts)classic anti-semetic tropes and just swapped "Jews" with "Zionists"?
Likely
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)seems he could start a bit closer to home as Iran has between 9,000 and 60,000 (the number varies depending on the source) Jewish citizens, but he hasn't, no I think he means Israel but for some it seems that just isn't good or bad enough
shira
(30,109 posts)Because if not, what the hell's the difference between him and David Duke?
Duke just has it in for Israelis, just like Ahmadinejad?
Here are those quotes again:
"It has now been some 400 years that a horrendous Zionist clan has been ruling the major world affairs, and behind the scenes of the major power circles, in political, media, monetary, and banking organizations in the world, they have been the decision makers, to an extent that a big power with a huge economy and over 300 million population, the presidential election hopefuls must go kiss the feet of the Zionists to ensure their victory in the elections."
Which Israelis was he referring to from 400 years ago?
"Today, interactions in the international arena make it fully evident and clear that the leaders of this small international Zionist party make all of its decisions and imposes them on European leaders. The Zionists imposed World War I on Europe and today those countries are forced to admit their wrong doings. We are certain that the world will soon be rescued from the hand of the Zionists."
"Why is it that world leaders are still sensitive to and emphasize the Holocaust? Politicians normally don't pay significant attention to history and the past. The reason for the sensitivities is that the Holocaust is the excuse for the establishment of the Zionist regime, and is an active agent used in the political environment. The Zionist regime relies on the Holocaust and if it's take away from the regime, the philosophy of its existence disappears and all politics in the international arena which where were based on it will come undone."
Which Israelis imposed WWI on Europe?
What do you think of his Holocaust rants? Aimed at Israeli Arabs, perhaps?
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)From the point of view of an Iranian audience, he is saying that the Israelis are just like the threats that Persia has faced previously, they come and they go and we carry on. From the point of view of the world, he is trying to make it as much about the Israelis and Iran as possible. Currently, the Saudis are threatening Iran's force projection ability by threatening to topple Syria. That is a far bigger concern for him than anything the Israelis can threaten him with, but it benefits him to portray anyone who opposes Iran as beinb in league with Israel.
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:20 AM - Edit history (1)
...he always gets a pass for it.
He's misunderstood, mistranslated. The problem is really Netanyahu, not him.
Why?
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)So far, he hasn't harmed a hair on a Jew's head, despite the fact that there are 25 000 Jews living in his home town of Tehran. True, Iran was probably responsible for the attempted hits on Israeli diplomats in Georgia etc but that was in retaliation for the hits on Iranian nuclear scientists by Israel.
It is part of the game. Iran gains by focusing its enmity on Israel and ignoring the fact that most Sunnis Arabs are currently engaged in attempting to inflict the greatest foreign policy defeat on Iran since the revolution.
All I can say about netanyahu is that the man has terrible instincts. He certainly overplayed his hand regarding mitt Romney, and he seems to have no sense of nuance regarding Iran either. Rabin had the good sense not to intervene when Iraq fired scud missiles at tel Aviv, you have to wonder whether netanyahu could do the same in similar circumstances.
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 26, 2012, 07:53 PM - Edit history (3)
Also you're wrong in that Iran has armed and ordered successful Hezbollah and Hamas terror attacks that have killed their intended Jewish targets.
Would you be at all critical if a militant David Duke capable of harming Jews was making these "eliminationist" rants @ Jews instead of Ahmadinejad?
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)
... you're doing on his behalf.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)As I indicated above, I have given material support to the Free Syrian Army, I don't know of many supporters of Iran who have done that.
I think your problem is that you assume that I am schilling for Iran in the same way that you are schilling for Israel. I certainly do not want to see Iran bombed and occupied in another American adventure, nor do accept that Israel has a moral entitlement to a nuclear monopoly in the middle east. I think if you acquire nuclear weapons, as Israel has done, you have to accept that your enemies are going to want to acquire them as well.
On the other hand, I am happy to see Iran suffer a setback in Syria, and by extension, Lebanon. I also look forward to the day in 2013 when Ahmadinejad is replaced by someone altogether more reasonable - although I think that Israel would prefer that their cartoon bogeyman hang around for a while longer.
shira
(30,109 posts)Also, do you see Saudi Arabia siding with the MB for the sole purpose of opposing Iran/Assad? It's not as though Saudi Arabia is BFF with the MB. They much preferred Mubarak to the MB.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)"But ... he was misquoted!"
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Ahmadinejad: Israel Is a ‘Tumor’
Not one to mince words, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad upped the ante early Friday, telling anti-Israel protestors that the Jewish state is a "cancerous tumor" that will soon be destroyed. "The nations of the region will soon finish off the usurper Zionists in the Palestinian land ... In the new Middle East there will be no trace of the Americans and Zionists," Ahmadinejad said during a broadcast on state television.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/08/17/ahmadinejad-israel-is-a-tumor.html
zellie
(437 posts)Well Mahmoud , starting November 7 th I think Israel is going to cash that check.
And shove some bunker busters where the sun don't shine.
Sorry , I was never much an appeaser when it comes to deranged bullies.
Spare me.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)to quite a different response
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=243179
jpbollma
(552 posts)Israel many different times and in different ways. If this had been his only quote, certainly you could ask him for explanation and withhold a little judgement. That is not the case with this sick SOB. He is a truly vile human being. He is repressive at home and belligerent/homophobic/racist abroad. The sooner he is gone the better. I just hope the sizable groups who previously rose up against him will be able to overthrow him at some point.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it is about the US being drawn into yet another ME war, if Israel feels so threatened then Israel can start a war with Iran, that judgment is up to Israel's leaders and people, however as an American I do not want to see my country drawn into this
shira
(30,109 posts)...to all humanity, do you?
I can assure you Israel is not the only country that will be threatened by a nuclear Iran.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)
but its nice way of avoiding the question, I'll give you that shira
(30,109 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)isn't it ? 
shira
(30,109 posts)...WRT leaving Iranian embassies and kicking out Iranian diplomats from their countries.
The EU could reverse itself from the past few days and label Hezbollah as a terror organization.
It's not just sanctions.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)It's about Hezbollah and I suspect Hamas, however EU countries are a bit more in Iran's range aren't they? It's quite easy for Canada and the US on the other side of the world to do this but perhaps the EU feels it is beneficial to a diplomatic solution to keep diplomacy open
shira
(30,109 posts)As to the EU and diplomacy, you may be right. It's still not a smart move on their part if they're thinking Iran is only Israel's problem.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Notable exception being one DUer who posted 14 times on the thread.
