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Related: About this forumCrazy Jews Libel Israel with Price Tag Attack in Jerusalem
Price Tag vandals struck it rich Monday morning, puncturing tires on 45 vehicles in the Arab Beit Hanina neighborhood in Jerusalem.
Graffiti in Hebrew on walls and a bus declared, Gentiles in the country=enemies, and Arabs=thieves.
Some drivers woke up shortly before dawn to drive to work and discovered that all four wheels of their cars had been slashed.
The Bethlehem-based Maan News Agency quoted one resident as stating, Five settlers stormed the al-Samah square at around 2:30 a.m. coming from the direction of Pisgat Zeev settlement
Two of them positioned themselves at the main entrance to watch as the rest assaulted properties in the neighborhood.
Foreign news agencies broadcast to the world the residents message that Pisgat Zeev is built on lands of Beit Hanina.
Associated Press reported to millions of people around the world, Extremist Jewish settlers have been carrying out acts of vandalism in recent years, in retaliation for Palestinian attacks and to protest what they perceive as the Israeli governments pro-Palestinian policies.
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/crazy-jews-libel-israel-with-price-tag-attack-in-jerusalem/2014/03/24/
King_David
(14,851 posts)The author used to write for Arutz Sheva which I never use and quotes Maan which has a problem with credibility all of its own.
But the sentiment expressed is agreeable.
King_David
(14,851 posts)mike_c
(36,281 posts)Is this religiously motivated hatred (Jews hate Muslims), racially motivated violence (hmm, Semite vs Semite?), or nationalist hatred (Isrealis attacking Palestinians)? Or all three combined?
The victims are not identified as Islamic, but the perpetrators are identified as Jewish. I find that odd.
shira
(30,109 posts)...as there are 1000's of Israeli Arab settlers who have chosen to live within the settlements alongside Jews.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)...their violence. Did they commit these crimes BECAUSE they're Jewish? Will other Jews commit similar crimes because they're Jewish too, or because other potential victims are Islamic? Or did they commit them because they're occupiers victimizing the occupied? Or is this simple nationalism, without any role for religion, per se?
I understand that some of the most religious settlers see the occupied territories as having been promised to them by "God," so they might view these actions as primarily a clash of religions and dogma. But why then only lash out at occupied Palestinians? I presume they don't commit such vandalism and other violence against ALL Muslims they encounter, only Palestinians under Israeli occupation. I guess I'm just trying to understand what role religion really plays in these events, or whether it's just a smoke screen to cover secular bigotry.
shira
(30,109 posts)There are atheists who happen to be Jews. Religion has nothing to do with the politics or actions of atheist Jews.
What I'm trying to say is that by "Jewish", these price tag thugs aren't necessarily being described by their religion but by their ethnicity. This is what confuses so many outsiders as to the importance of a Jewish state. Not Jewish in the religious sense but ethnic.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)The ethnicity vs religion issue is always a bit confusing for me. I'm a lifelong atheist, so despite having been raised (and embedded for generations) within a christian culture, the label "christian" would make no sense for me. "White" is also little more than a race descriptor, since there is nothing even remotely like a monolithic "white" ethnicity. My closest Jewish friends-- atheists for the most part, as you mentioned-- seem ethnically just like me (Ashkenazi descent, but again, does ones' parent's parents' parents' ethnicity define ones own?-- if so, are we back to my being "christian?" . Anyway, it confuses the hell out of me. I'm often labeled anti-Semitic in this forum for being critical of Israel and its political leadership, but things get vague when I try to protest that I don't give a rat's buttocks about anyone's religion (or moer precisely, I don't criticise Jewishness any more than I criticize christian-ness or muslim-ness, which is to say, I don't have much use for any of them).
shira
(30,109 posts)...even though they and their parents were born here. Their religious affiliation or lack thereof is irrelevant.
Jews are different in that they remain Jews whether they're religious or not. Not so for christians or muslims.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)unless of course you're counting East Jerusalem as a settlement?
Israeli
(4,148 posts)....how many times do we have to go thru this ??
" there are 1000's of Israeli Arab settlers who have chosen to live within the settlements alongside Jews. "
Total BS shira .
" which settlements name them along with the demographic break down
unless of course you're counting East Jerusalem as a settlement? "
Ariel azurnoir.... and its not " 1000's "
ref : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3179514,00.html
" unless of course you're counting East Jerusalem as a settlement? "
http://peacenow.org.il/eng/content/actually-no-they-can%E2%80%99t