Israel requests Pope's poster be removed from Jerusalem Church

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/11439-israel-requests-popes-poster-be-removed-from-jerusalem-church

The Israeli police requested a welcome poster for Pope Francis be removed from a building belonging to the church near Jaffa Gate to avoid "inflaming Jewish passions".

The National Christian Assembly Secretary-General Dimitri Delyani described the Israeli request as a "rude act". "This rude act will only strengthen the Christian and Muslim unity from all over the Holy Land to prove that Jerusalem is an Arab city with a Christian and Islamic civilisation, and no Judaisation programme or ethnic cleansing crimes will erase this well established fact in the hearts of each and every one of us."

"This is our city and we will build mosques and churches and we will receive or expel who ever we want, but when the occupation wants to control it and its people and regards them as temporary residents, this would cause a rift," Delyani said.

He continued "The National Christian Assembly is sending messages to all churches around the world to expose the Israeli practices, including the Jewish terrorism represented in this request."

Wow, what a democracy Israel is turning out to be.

• Colonialism (aka land theft)
• Brutality (shootings, murder)
• Destruction of personal / private property
• Threats of annexation
• Threats of deportation
• Clear evidence of Apartheid
• Religious intolerance

This sounds more like a playbook for theocracy than democracy.

[tritsofme]

1. The story sounds like BS, and is probably a lie.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

2. Are the incidents of vandalism against the Church in Israel also lies?

[tritsofme]

4. No, but this appears to be.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. Let's put it this way. is there some proof that you possess which proves this a lie?

It's easy to deny something, but with the IDF anything is possible.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/church-attacks-in-israel-poison-before-popes-visit-cleric-says-20140512-zr9sn.html

Fourteen attacks by suspected far-right Israelis have been reported in the past year. Several have been carried out over the last month, including a death threat daubed in Hebrew at the Assembly of Bishops at the Notre Dame Centre in East Jerusalem.

The police fail to catch, time after time, perpetrators of price tag attacks.

The IDF has, on video mind you, stood by as Israelis stoned Palestinians and their property with impunity.

The IDF, again on video, can be heard ordering a Palestinian to remove a Palestinian flag from his home...this being after an Israeli settler tried to invade the Palestinians home to steal the flag. Instead of accomplishing this act of theft he was caught in some wire mesh and had to be helped out by the IDF.

The IDF time after time has been documented shooting civilians, standing by while Israeli settlers cause havoc on Palestinian land and generally have not done the job of protecting Palestinians.


All that being said you are going to attempt to paint the story of the Israeli Police requesting a welcome poster for Pope Francis being removed as a lie?

[tritsofme]

7. Yes, it is probably a lie that Israeli police asked them to remove the poster

to avoid "inflaming Jewish passions"

It's easy to make things up too.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. "It's easy to make things up too."

It's also easy to deny things that make some feel uncomfortable.

Given the track record of Israel, the IDF and its religious fundamentalists the denials don't hold a lot of weight.

[tritsofme]

9. Yes yes I know. Any rumor must be true

Because Israel=bad

[Scootaloo]

10. But isn't your position that any negative proposition about Israel is inherently false?

because "Israel=good"?

Pardon me if I'm a little more inclined to take the word of Dimitri Delyani, Secretary-General of the National Christian Assembly, who is citing Israeli police... over the assertion of some guy named "tritsofme" who I blundered into on the internet one day.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. You may stick to your beliefs all you

wish: no matter how fragile they appear.

[tritsofme]

13. Thanks, and I get it, this is a fun story for you guys.

"inflaming" Jewish passions is a much sexier story than one on regulations for decorating archeological sites.

Why let a pesky thing like truth get in the way of that?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

15. I have to keep on asking this query.

Do you have some proof that the article is fake?

[tritsofme]

17. I've seen various reports

That the request was due to regulations on decorating historic buildings, not "inflaming Jewish passions"

Is it even logical that Israeli police would serve up a reason with such wonderful propaganda value?

[azurnoir]

18. Perhaps it's because the church serves mostly Messianic Jews? It was built in 1849

Christ Church, Jerusalem, is an Anglican church located inside the Old City of Jerusalem. The building itself is part of a small compound just inside the Jaffa Gate opposite King David's citadel. It is the oldest Protestant church in the Middle East. Its congregation is mainly composed of English speaking Jewish Christians, with both Christian and Jewish festivals being celebrated.[1]

Contents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_Church,_Jerusalem

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

20. Hush now...

tritsofme has seen various reports...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

19. Oh, then please post these reports if you will, but mind you.

The Israeli police enforce all sorts of wonderful illogical things like tearing down Palestinian buildings, because they don't have the proper "permits" while that problem doesn't manifest itself in the Israeli settler population.

[Mosby]

12. The fake story is a good example of projection

When you "inflame Jewish passions" you get a torrent of LTTEs and maybe a sternly worded article in the NYT.

I think we all know what happens when a cartoon or something "inflames Muslim passions".

The truth is that there are rules about the placement of banners on archeological sites like the building in question.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

14. Do you have proof that the article is fake or just excuses?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. ...crickets...

[shaayecanaan]

3. You can see the poster here

http://www.theage.com.au/world/church-attacks-in-israel-poison-before-popes-visit-cleric-says-20140512-zr9sn.html

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

6. Putting that poster up is definately an act of war.

[Purveyor]

16. kick. Thanks for posting. +1 eom