Support Justice For Palestinian People

[Purveyor]

In a letter to the editor, two Presbyterian men recommend standing with Pope Francis in "praying for peace and encouraging both sides to find the middle ground" in the Middle East.

During much of Nelson Mandela's long road to freedom, the U.S. joined with South Africa in calling Mandela and the African National Congress terrorists. After the U.S. joined the world in boycotting, divesting and sanctioning South Africa, justice and peace finally became a reality in that country.

Sadly, the U.S. is once again siding with the oppressor — this time taking Israel's side against the Palestinian people. During 2013, the U.S. provided Israel with at least $8.5 million per day in military aid with no military aid to the Palestinians. President Obama increased Israel's allotment to $9.9 million per day in 2014. The Congressional Research Service's conservative estimate of total cumulative U.S. aid to Israel from 1949 through 2014 is $121 billion. Middle ground, indeed!

Since June 12, Israel has conducted nightly bombing of the Gaza strip, amassing troops at its border while invading hundreds of Palestinian homes in the West Bank. It's time to support justice by supporting the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement against Israel to stop the collective punishment of the Palestinian people.

Read more: http://www.mcall.com/opinion/letters/mc-legun-israel-bombing-gaza-palestinians-20140711,0,408007.story#ixzz37COObfxH

[King_David]

1. This is what Israel is trying to prevent.

Hamas admitted they attempted to nuke the entire area .
Mass murder suicide.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/113466694

[yeoman6987]

2. Yep

You are right.

[Purveyor]

4. If a Hamas 'pop-rocket' can take out the israeli nuclear reactor, israel has

more problems than just Hamas.

Who built that goddamned thing anyway if it can't take such a hit?

[King_David]

5. Not the issue

These people , Hamas , actually thought they could ... Attempted this mass murder/ suicide... And admitted it .

It's devastatingly disappointing to Hamas' supporters.

And I've seen lots of their cheerleaders making excuses for these mass murderers wannabes .....

[Purveyor]

6. Oh bullshit. They know they can't take out a reactor and you know they

can't either but keeping pumping this sludge as it makes you look foolish.

[King_David]

7. Really ? So they , Hamas ,attempts

To nuke Israel . Tells everyone. Admits it .
And people try explain to them " no no you guys are saint and listen Hanas it makes you look like barbarians so we know you never really meant it , really you didn't. "

And I look foolish?

[Purveyor]

8. Indeed you do. I suppose you buy into every outlandish claim that the

dictator of NK spouts too?

BTW, have you 'suited up' and made you way to the battle lines to defend your apartheid state yet?

[King_David]

9. Sounds like you seething.

Inconvenient as it may be ,Hamas admitted they attempted to explode the nuclear reactor and were proud of their attempt.

So they lying ?


Wait wait don't tell me ....

.... It's a MISTRANSLATION ....



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=66694

[Purveyor]

10. Just be glad they didn't threaten to 'huff and puff and blown the thing down'.

[King_David]

11. Intent

And Hamas not only admitted their intent , they bragged about it too.

Weather they could do it or not is irrelevant.

They believed they could blow up the nuclear reactor and they tried , admitted it, and bragged about it.

That is who Israel has to deal with .

Imagine if they did have the capability ?

[geek tragedy]

14. Hey, don't be so humble. Your team always wins the body count.

Hamas is lucky if they injure 1/10th the number of Palestinians your team kills.

Do you guys ever get jealous of Assad?

[ellenrr]

16. the imbalance is bigger than this. thus far I heard 600 wounded in Gaza...

with hospitals overwhelmed and medical supplies dwindling or gone..

just imagine having a limb blown off, or losing an eye, or seared with fire, and there is no medical attention...

[King_David]

19. So Israel should allow them to nuke the place

To even things out ?
Jews no longer do that sort of thing any more even when the world demands it.

Assad ? That's Hamas and Hezbola ally , maybe a little reading would help before posting in IP ?

[geek tragedy]

41. Hey, you guys have won. You get your apartheid now, and you get to keep it.

Celebrate a little. You get to put the screws the Palestinians for the next 100 years.

The dream of a Palestinian state is dead. The only people on the planet who don't realize it are John Kerry and Barack Obama.

Which is what you all really, really wanted--you never wanted a Palestinian state. The Palestinians aren't human beings to Israel, to Israel they're merely a problem to be dealt with like locusts or drought. And the solution to the Palestinian 'problem' never included giving them their own state.

But, don't get all offended when you get treated by liberals like South Africa did, and that will eventually happen, as the US perception of Israel catches up to the reality.

[King_David]

42. Don't really understand all that

Please re write it when you not so angry.
When you speak of "liberals " are you including yourself ? Because my party , the Democratic Party of the USA which most Jews in the USA support , does not speak like that ( none of our reps anyway)

[geek tragedy]

43. The US was a lone holdout in supporting South Africa too. When the lie of the two-state solution

becomes untenable, so will US policy.

Lots of liberals become rightwingers when the subject is Israel. Eventually our party will become more rational and less rightwing on the subject.

Netanyahu declared the two-state solution dead this week.

Amid the current conflict, he elaborated, “I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan” — a reference to the Jordan Valley and the West Bank — as Kerry had urged during a US-led peace effort that collapsed in April.

...

If we were to pull out of Judea and Samaria, like they tell us to, there’d be a possibility of thousands of tunnels” being dug by terrorists to attack Israel, he said.

Israel has declared it will PERMANENTLY occupy the West Bank with its army. And build more settlements, and impose roadblocks, and in general treat the Palestinians like caged animals. That is annexation. That is the stuff of China in Tibet, of Botha-era South Africa, and Soviet tanks in Prague.

The next step for the Palestinians is to ask for a declaration that Israel has annexed the WB, and move for the right to vote.

[King_David]

44. Lots of wishful thinking there,

Especially this 'gem'

Eventually our party will become more rational and less rightwing on the subject.

[geek tragedy]

45. At some point, the US government is going to stop peddling a two-state solution

that Israel has already publicly told us is unacceptable.

At that point, its options are to (a) support apartheid; (b) promote a one-state binational state solution, or (c) shut up entirely.

Israel and its supporters embrace the two-state solution as a fig leaf to avoid accountability for what they really believe.

[geek tragedy]

59. Consensus in Israel that the Palestinians need to remain under Israeli control and occupation

on a permanent basis.

Netanyahu just yesterday said that Israel will occupy "Judea and Samaria" forever.

So, Israel views the Palestinians as human beings much like the US government viewed Native Americans and South Africa viewed black people as human beings.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

60. Is it possible for you to be honest for once?

I would expect more from the royals.

[azurnoir]

15. If the Palestinians had that sort of military capability I suspect Israel would have signed a Peace

treaty and they'd have had a state long before there was a Hamas

[King_David]

18. Military capability or not

Doesn't stop them from trying.

[Scootaloo]

12. Well, it's better than the time he insisted Mexicans can't be Jewish, I guess

And at least it's not a demand for a flotilla to Tibet.

[King_David]

17. Desperate ?

I made no such claim and coming from a self proclaimed AntiZionist that compares Zionism to white supremism , that's rich.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=57842

But with 4 hides and one more for another 3 month rest from DU your not taunting me with the usual "Gay " angle .

Was no accident why the LGBT group here in DU banned you.

[totodeinhere]

33. Jury results.

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Let them fight it out, they both seem more than capable.

And I agree with the alerted poster, he is being baited for a hide to shut him up.

This tactic is disgusting and used too often at DU, often having nothing to do with the topic, but the animus toward some other opinion the baiter will not admit.

This makes DU suck.

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[R. Daneel Olivaw]

61. Are you baiting / calling others out, King.

Please stop.

[Fozzledick]

3. A nice ideal, but how can they pay for full reparations?

Sure, the billions of dollars in Arafat and Abbas' Swiss bank accounts would make a good start, but paying full reparations to Israel for 66 years of war and terrorism would bleed their economy dry.

[geek tragedy]

13. Do you view Palestinians as fully human whose

lives and rights are every bit as valuable as those of Jews?

Or are you simply unaware that the Israelis gave killed many times more Palestinians than vice versa?

[COLGATE4]

20. Not for lack of the Palestinians' trying nt

[King_David]

21. Hamas is also responsible for the Palestinian deaths too

They hide their weapons and "fighters" among the Palestinian civilians .

They are far more successful at causing Palestinian deaths than they are Israeli deaths.

Not from lack of trying is right.

[geek tragedy]

22. So you blame all Palestinians for those rocket attacks?

That would explain the lack of concern over 100 dead, including 20 children.

[COLGATE4]

30. Are you as concerned about the dead Palestinians

who were urged to be at the attack sites as human shields by their supposed 'leadership'? Fairly cynical to criticize the Israelis for what happened to people who willingly deployed their bodies in a suicidal fashion at an announced, targeted site.

[Jefferson23]

31. According to who? The same guy who refuses to show the evidence Hamas murdered

the teens? The same leader who kept the deaths of the teens under wraps while he
ordered the destruction of homes..that guy?

[COLGATE4]

48. Fox News generally isn't viewed as a

reputable source. But thanks for playing.

[Jefferson23]

50. Please explain, what does Fox News have to do with my questions? n/t

[COLGATE4]

54. Sounds like where you're getting your information from. nt

[Jefferson23]

55. Oh no, not at all. If anything, Fox News is completely supportive of the occupation.

Perhaps you can now respond to my questions.

[geek tragedy]

32. No, since Israel killed them, not cynical just accurate. nt

[COLGATE4]

46. Don't hurt yourself twisting yourself into

those contortions to try and justify your idea.

[geek tragedy]

49. Israel killed them, so how is Israel not responsible? nt

[COLGATE4]

51. Someone willingly putting themselves in harms' way

and it's the others' fault. Interesting logic.

[geek tragedy]

52. Logic: family sits in their own home, Israel drops a bomb on them,

they die as a result of the bomb dropped on them, ergo Israeli actions killed them, ergo Israel killed them

Whatever. Go ahead and blame those disabled people who can't move, and go ahead and blame the small children for the fact that Israel dropped a bomb on their family home. That speaks more about how little value Israel's supporters place on the lives of Palestinians than anything.

[COLGATE4]

53. People are warned ahead of time and advised to leave.

And please let's not ignore the gallant Hamas tactic of launching rockets intended to kill Israelis from residential areas.

[geek tragedy]

56. "people are warned ahead of time and advised to leave."

And if they don't obey Israel, Israel kills them and their children.

However Team Israel wants to justify its killing of children, sorry not really interested in buying your rationalizations.

Israel kills Palestinian children. Lots of them. And the reaction Israel and its supporters such as yourself offer up is "served them right."

Go ahead, have the last word. It's crystal clear where you are coming from. You can't explain it away.

[COLGATE4]

57. There's a really simple solution for this:

Don't fire rockets into israel. No more dead Israelis, no more dead Palestinians. Too bad Hamas doesn't see it that way.

[totodeinhere]

34. Of course we don't blame all Palestinians. And I suspect that you don't blame all Israelis for

bombing Gaza either. And we are concerned for all dead civilians in Gaza just as we were concerned for the three kidnapped and murdered Israeli teenagers. But the reason why Gaza is suffering more deaths than Israel is because Gaza lacks the infrastructure that Israel has that is necessary to fend off the attacks. Both sides are attacking each other. Israel does not have fewer casualties because Hamas is not attacking them because they are. Both sides need to stop.

[Fozzledick]

23. Of course I view Palestinians as fully human, what a stupid question.

But I also consider them fully responsible for the 66 years of war and terrorism they've been waging to try to exterminate their neighbors as well as the consequences they've chosen to bring upon themselves as the result of their own actions.

Are you unaware of the history of the past 66 years or are you just sympathetic to their goal of destroying Israel?

[geek tragedy]

24. Ah, you're one of the "Israel is not to blame for

its own conduct" types. Gotcha.

[Fozzledick]

25. Ah, you're one of the "Israel is Eviiiil !!1!" types. Gotcha.

[geek tragedy]

26. The occupation is evil, and Israel's insistence upon

maintaining it forever will lead to a binational state replacing Israel. Whether it chooses to proceed directly to that end, or rather formally adopts apartheid before facing crippling international sanctions only Israelis can answer. Certainly the state that Israel is becoming does not deserve the support of the US, as it constitutes a rejection of our principles.

[totodeinhere]

35. Of course some people would prefer a one state solution because that

would effectively mean the end of the State of Israel. But I don't see that happening anytime soon. As long as they have the USA in their corner there can not be any effective international sanctions.

U.S. Senators Chuck Schumer (D-New York), Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), Robert Menendez (D-New Jersey) and Kelly Ayotte (R-New Hampshire) on Thursday introduced a resolution expressing support for the State of Israel as it defends itself against unprovoked attacks from the Hamas in Gaza.

The resolution “reaffirms the United States’ support for Israel’s right to defend its citizens and ensure the survival of the State of Israel; condemns the unprovoked rocket fire at Israel; calls on Hamas to immediately cease all rocket and other attacks against Israel, and calls on Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to dissolve the unity governing arrangement with Hamas and condemn the attacks on Israel.”

http://jpupdates.com/2014/07/10/bipartisan-senate-resolution-expresses-support-for-israel/

Look at this one-sided Senate resolution. Bipartisan support for Israel is alive and well and it shows no sign of abating.

[Jefferson23]

36. I am not aware of Obama calling for the end of the unity agreement...that would be

significant. That Schumer and Graham call for it is no surprise.

[totodeinhere]

37. I don't know if the president will go that far. But he has condemned the Hamas rocket attacks

and he reaffirmed the right of Israel to defend itself. My point was that as long as there is strong bipartisan support for Israel in this country, and there is, there cannot be effective international sanctions and Israel will not be forced to accept a one state solution as the other poster was suggesting.

[Jefferson23]

40. I understood your earlier point, it was your link I found interesting..the rest is standard for the

US.

If Obama changes his position on supporting the unity agreement I will be surprised.

[geek tragedy]

38. You are not seeing the long-term trends.

The big one is that young American Jews are caring less and less and less about Israel. It is not a place that is consistent with their values.

At some point the US's blind, unwavering support of Israel will no longer be an operative fact.

Israel would be wise to prepare for that day. But, Rabin was really the last Israeli leader of any wisdom, and there ain't any in the pipeline either.

At some point, a rightwing theological state predicated on privileging one group over all others will fall out of favor with the rapidly diversifying United States.

[yeoman6987]

27. Israel requires all population

To join the military and they also take the military serious and prepared which is why they are able to stop the Palistinian bombs from hitting their land. Perhaps the Palistinians should take their military seriously or at least stop trying to bomb Isreal.

[geek tragedy]

28. Palestinians do not have a military.

Only a police force per negotiated agreements.

The Israeli expectation that Palestinian police act as Israel's agents is not realistic.

[yeoman6987]

29. Well quite frankly, not Israel's problem

[geek tragedy]

39. No, ceasing to exist as a Jewish democracy is Israel's problem. nt