There Is No Future For Apartheid Israel

[Purveyor]

The latest round of repression against a relatively defenseless subject population of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza by the state of Israel has by now assumed the air of tired routine.

But for those on the receiving end what a largely desensitized world considers “tired” and “routine” bespeaks terror and brutality. Given the lack of intervention on the part of the international community whenever an Israeli security crackdown occurs, it is evident by now that a tacit acceptance has taken root to the effect that massacring Palestinians has been elevated to the level of bloodsport within Israeli society.

"No one people has a monopoly on human suffering and every ethnic tragedy stands on its own.
If I were a Jew or Gypsy, Nazi barbarity would be the most atrocious event in history. If I were a Black African, it would be slavery and apartheid. If I were a Native American, it would be the discovery of the New World by European explorers and settlers that resulted in near-total extermination. If I were an Armenian, it would be the Ottoman massacres.
I happen to be a Palestinian, and for me it is the Nakba.
Humanity should consider all the above repugnant. I do not consider it advisable to debate hierarchies of suffering. I do not know how to quantify pain or measure suffering. I do know that we are not children of a lesser God."

Afif Safieh – Palestinian diplomat

For those of us who still care about the plight of a people whose only crime is that they exist on land coveted by a settler colonial state, the latest manifestation of Israel’s disregard for international law and human rights is as good a reason as any for closer examination. In so doing, we must call upon the greatest teacher of them all: history.

Most empires and colonial projects fall under the weight of their own contradictions, but usually over a protracted period of resistance, both passive and active, on the part of its victims. At the same time the material privileges gained from the exploitation and expropriation of a colonized people acts as a slow-acting corrosive on the society of the colonizing state, poisoning it with racism and hatred for those it has colonized as it seeks to justify the material privileges and psychological sense of supremacy and national pride that accrues from that colonization. This moral decay is commonly reflected in the degeneration that takes place in the armed forces of the state in question, where the emphasis of the troops shifts from self-sacrifice and heroism in support of a just and galvanizing cause to personal survival as demoralization sets in.

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http://rt.com/op-edge/170912-israel-no-furute-apartheid/

[Loudly]

1. Palestinians are too invested in keeping a pointless grudge alive.

They need to stop with their institutionalized anger and move forward.

Embrace peace and prosperity.

The world wants to help you, but nobody likes a complainer.

[BillZBubb]

5. Baloney.

The Palestinians want peace, but not to the point where they will surrender their land, rights and dignity to the occupiers. Demanding your rights is not complaining.

If Israel EVER proposed a just peace, the Palestinians would agree. All the Israelis have ever offered is to keep the occupied territory they want to annex, control the Jordan river, dictate Palestinian police and military policy, control Palestinian airspace, etc. etc.

[Scootaloo]

8. Wow

Wow. Really? i can't tell if maybe this is some double-blind sarcasm on your part... Really?

[cali]

13. Yes. Objecting to Israeli settlements and the theft of their land is

"a pointless grudge"

that's disgusting.

[Loudly]

14. That housing could eventually be multi ethnic.

Everybody needs a habitable place to live, where they are safe from attack by their neighbors.

It's called co-existence. It comes effortlessly.

Fighting and feuding is what takes work.

[cali]

15. what nonsense. that is not what's happening. furthermore, history

and facts belie your claim that feuding and fighting take work and co-existence comes effortlessly.

[geek tragedy]

17. have you ever met an ultra-Orthodox Israeli? They can't stand to have secular Jews as

neighbors. They view Palestinians as animals.

[Shaktimaan]

23. Interesting.

Have YOU ever met an ultra orthodox Israeli? Ascribing universal beliefs to entire groups of people is seldom the basis for nuanced or intelligent debate.

[King_David]

34. Stereotype much? nt

[Fozzledick]

2. Yeah, that propaganda meme is going nowhere.

It just doesn't have the kernel of truth that a good meme needs to propagate itself. When all you have is hate and lies, you can't expect to spread your message to a general audience that doesn't share your hate.

[King_David]

3. If your in the right Internet forum you would think it were taking hold

But you gotta be in the right forum .

[azurnoir]

18. the right forum could you name one for us and please be exact n/t

[King_David]

19. Can not link to them from here,

One example recently in solidarity with the Presbyterian church and BDS is full of Israel Apartheid talk. Extreme right wing forums.

You will not find any such talk on Democratic Party reps or our Presidents websites for example and nor will they link to this forum for example because of such talk by a few vocal posters who do not support the Democratic Party Policies with respect to Israel. A Democratic party congressman once told me this in person.

[azurnoir]

20. Name the forum your saying some DUers should be on no link just name

and oh you seem to discount John Kerry the Democratic SoS and 2004 candidate for POTUS

[Jefferson23]

21. Say what?

You crack me up.

A Democratic congressman won't link here because DU does not tow the party line on every
issue? I am shocked.

[King_David]

22. To IP

Nope , never.

And not DU but some IP posters such as the time Zionism was compared to white Supremism, Imagine linking to that?

[Jefferson23]

24. I realize that upset you, and I am not going to try and explain it to you. What I will address

is your reliance, it seems to me, on a plea to authority.

There are a host of issues that some Democrats in office support that are not supported
here, not only I/P.

[King_David]

26. IP can make or break someone in the party nt

[Jefferson23]

28. US foreign policy has many prices attached to it. n/t

[King_David]

30. Indeed

Someone just stereotyped about "big pockets" in reply to this.
Imagine linking to that?
LOL

[Jefferson23]

31. Congressmen get researched all the time. Have you ever read Open Secrets website? n/t

[King_David]

33. Gonna google it later,i will get back to u

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

29. "IP can make or break someone in the party nt..."

I guess that is an admission of sorts that being on one side of an issue, no matter how just the position, will bring all kids of ruin on an individual from unsavory groups: all with deep pockets and a lot of guilt to peddle.

[Shaktimaan]

37. Wow.

will bring all kids of ruin on an individual from unsavory groups: all with deep pockets and a lot of guilt to peddle.

Gee whiz. I wonder who you're referring to? Good thing you're so adept at hiding any negative stereotypes you otherwise might be accused of perpetuating.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

38. Spare me your manure, shak.

[Fozzledick]

39. What I find truly interesting

is the implication that the thinly veiled bigotry and hate-mongering that's become so prevalent here is so vile and disgraceful by real-world standards that the Democratic Party is repulsed by it and seeks to avoid any possible contact lest they be tarred by association with such disreputable filth.

There's been much discussion of late about how DU has changed over the years, perhaps the time has come to consider if the name "Democratic" still applies, or whether it has become a safe haven for something else.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

27. That wasn't the ask, king.

[BillZBubb]

6. The OP has more than a "kernel" of truth. For the occupied lands, it is the truth.

The propaganda is what you are supplying--denying the truth.

[Fozzledick]

10. Shouldn't you be gnashing your teeth somewhere in the outer darkness?

[samsingh]

4. what about the Christians in Pakistan? what did they do to do persecuted so badly?

[BillZBubb]

7. Am I sensing a non sequitor here, or is there some point you are trying to make?

The Christians in Pakistan, as far as I know, didn't do anything to deserve persecution. But what does that have to do with the Israelis occupying land that isn't theirs and treating the inhabitants of the land like sub-humans?

[TheDebbieDee]

9. The poster is comparing apples and oranges in a deliberate attempt

To misdirect the conversation. Maybe he/she is joking....

[samsingh]

11. it's only a non-sequitor to people who aren't affected - Israel has the strength

to fight back when they are treated as the minorities in Syria and Pakistan are

that's the difference

[azurnoir]

12. well that's nice and all except that Israel is not a minority it is a country

the fact is that Palestinians are the minority, perhaps you could be more specific because as worded your comment is sort of confusing

[samsingh]

35. wasn't Israel being attacked by missiles?

what should they do about them?

[azurnoir]

36. Israel is not a minority please rephrase your original question n/t

[samsingh]

40. actually - what are your feelings about how Christians are mistreated in Pakistan?

I don't think that issue should be glossed over either.

[BillZBubb]

16. No, it still is not a logical comparison.

Israel is not a minority population in a country. Israel is a country in which the Jewish people are the majority.

[Shaktimaan]

25. So

The Nakba is the equivalent of the holo cause, slavery and the Armenian genocide?

Really?

The very premise of this article is deeply offensive.