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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:22 PM Jul 2014

Israel destroys el-Wafa hospital as staff evacuates all patients

Last edited Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:36 PM - Edit history (1)

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/hospital-evacuate-patients.html

The Israeli military has destroyed el-Wafa rehabilitation hospital in the Gaza Strip, after first targeting the facility with five missiles on July 11, 2014. The Israeli military began striking the building around 8 pm this evening and within two hours all hospital staff and patients had evacuated the only rehabilitation center in the Gaza Strip. As they departed what remained intact from the medical center burned to the ground.

“It’s already destroyed,” said Basman Alashi, director of el-Wafa, continuing, “I don’t know how much is left of it, but we have evacuated all of our patients. We lost power, there was a fire in the building.”

Alashi spoke to me via telephone from his house in Gaza, unable to cross the Israeli shelling to reach the hospital. “I left the hospital at seven and within two hours they had bombed the hospital.” Shells hit every floor of the building, and a fire spread throughout.

After the Israeli army began striking the hospital, Alashi and el-Wafa’s 25 nurses made desperate arrangements to relocate the last 17 patients. Many of those in el-Wafa’s care are paralyzed and are connected to oxygen support. Some of the nurses left the building to seek help, braving Israeli fire on the streets in order to track down an ambulance with an oxygen tank.



Well well, my fellow DUers. I guess that hitting hospitals is what Democracies do.

Now what other democracies target and destroy hospitals during an offensive?

It's always possible that some social democrats did it in another time in history.

The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Israel destroys el-Wafa hospital as staff evacuates all patients (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 OP
Mondoweiss supported Hamas rejection of a ceasefire. shira Jul 2014 #1
How about Israel stop killing innocents? Disgusting. chimpymustgo Jul 2014 #9
Exactly. peacebird Jul 2014 #11
+infinity!!! newfie11 Jul 2014 #14
No. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #2
I saw on twitter that they were shelling it for days and today they destroyed it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #3
Does Israel claim that rockets were launched from the building? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #46
If this is not considered a war crime, then it should be. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2014 #5
My dear CaliforniaPeggy, thatnk you for being a voice of reason. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #7
But...but...but... regnaD kciN Jul 2014 #12
I know a lot of folks think that way... CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2014 #13
When you bomb a hospital Aerows Jul 2014 #22
Me either, my dear Aerows...Hospitals are unmistakable. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2014 #26
It's plain sickening. Aerows Jul 2014 #27
No news outlet of any kind is reporting this. n/t shira Jul 2014 #6
Well when the sun comes up and the hospital is not there then you know that they were telling the hrmjustin Jul 2014 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #18
How do you know there is? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #20
People who are being injured need their hospital. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #21
It's unspeakable Aerows Jul 2014 #24
you can't trust mondoweiss Mosby Jul 2014 #34
I had dealings with the Red Cross Aerows Jul 2014 #41
A hospital is a hospital Aerows Jul 2014 #23
Agreed! hrmjustin Jul 2014 #32
and the red cross are monsters also per the article Mosby Jul 2014 #35
I don't agree they are monsters. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #36
OK, but it's not your "narrative" is it? Mosby Jul 2014 #37
the hospital is destroyed. that is criminal in my view. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #38
just to clarify Mosby Jul 2014 #39
Well from twitter I saw tweets saying that the hospital was being shelled for days while hrmjustin Jul 2014 #40
I agree Aerows Jul 2014 #42
Just what are you implying? Aerows Jul 2014 #43
I didn't say anything like that Mosby Jul 2014 #45
You are free to continue Aerows Jul 2014 #47
Marching orders from today Mosby Jul 2014 #48
I take marching orders from no one Aerows Jul 2014 #49
Here's the entire 'narrative' in which the ICRC could seem to play the 'willing fool' azurnoir Jul 2014 #44
Israeli tanks shell Gaza hospital, injure several bemildred Jul 2014 #10
The Israeli propagandists on DU should be ashamed for defending this. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #15
+100 Duppers Jul 2014 #17
. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #50
so much for another surgical strike, uh. Duppers Jul 2014 #16
Shelling a hospital Aerows Jul 2014 #25
It certainly does, but dontcha know all democracies R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #54
"Rarely does international politics present a moment of such moral clarity." Karmadillo Jul 2014 #28
I am new here but... TMIK Jul 2014 #29
You might want to invest in a Hazmat suit. madaboutharry Jul 2014 #30
Welcome to DU, TMIK! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2014 #31
You might want to read the Terms of Service octoberlib Jul 2014 #33
.... And don't forget, the U.S. if funding a large part of the ladjf Jul 2014 #51
not really Mosby Jul 2014 #53
that would be a lot. obviously. close to 20%. good fucking grief. cali Jul 2014 #55
Chris Hayes is covering this now procon Jul 2014 #52
Sick and disgusting that our country is paying for this. 4now Jul 2014 #56
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
1. Mondoweiss supported Hamas rejection of a ceasefire.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:24 PM
Jul 2014

Apparently, the zombies at Mondoweiss believe not enough Palestinian blood has been shed….

They live for a war like this, where they get to trash Israel while cheering on more Palestinian deaths. Palestinians die, they get to blame the Zionists.

Win for Mondoweiss.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
3. I saw on twitter that they were shelling it for days and today they destroyed it.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jul 2014

Just sickening. Reading twitter the last few days is just so sad.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
4. Does Israel claim that rockets were launched from the building?
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:27 PM
Jul 2014

Or give any other reason for destroying the hospital?

Or just a 'no comment'?

Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #4)

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,595 posts)
5. If this is not considered a war crime, then it should be.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:28 PM
Jul 2014

Hospitals are humanitarian places and should NEVER be destroyed.

I am sickened and livid.

Shame on the Israeli military and on the leaders who caused this to happen.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
7. My dear CaliforniaPeggy, thatnk you for being a voice of reason.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:33 PM
Jul 2014

Some things should not happen during times of conflict. Destroying hospitals is one of them.

Peace.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
12. But...but...but...
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jul 2014

...don't you realize the first rule of Middle East opinion: "Israel always right, Palestinians always eeeeeeeeeeevil"...?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
22. When you bomb a hospital
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 02:57 AM
Jul 2014

you are certainly not doing the right thing. I can't imagine how you could "mistake" a hospital for any other type of building.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
27. It's plain sickening.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:08 AM
Jul 2014

Everybody knows what a hospital looks like, pretending they don't is just disgusting.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
8. Well when the sun comes up and the hospital is not there then you know that they were telling the
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:34 PM
Jul 2014

truth. Kind of hard to report in a war zone.

Response to hrmjustin (Reply #8)

Response to hrmjustin (Reply #19)

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
21. People who are being injured need their hospital.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 11:26 PM
Jul 2014

Where are people supposed to go? Why shoot at a hospital ehen there are still patients inside?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
24. It's unspeakable
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:01 AM
Jul 2014

and I won't say that bombing a hospital, for Heaven's sake, is acceptable under any circumstance. It's madness to defend such an act.

Mosby

(16,304 posts)
34. you can't trust mondoweiss
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jul 2014

At all.

Did you notice that in the article the Palestinians are blaming the Israelis AND the international Red Cross?

Doesn't that seem a little odd?

I guess the Red Cross are genocidal monsters just like the Jews.


 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
41. I had dealings with the Red Cross
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:34 PM
Jul 2014

when I went through Hurricane Katrina. That has absolutely nothing to do with this, however - bombing a hospital to ruins is in no way defensible. You may call me what you wish, insinuate what you wish, but while it doesn't reach the level of genocide, shelling a hospital to the ground is despicable.

If you defend that, you can imply anything you wish of my character.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
23. A hospital is a hospital
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 02:59 AM
Jul 2014

bombing one, and they are unmistakable, is horrible.

Pretending that it is anything other than horrible is ludicrous.

Mosby

(16,304 posts)
37. OK, but it's not your "narrative" is it?
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jul 2014

"I said that the Red Cross is cooperating with the Israelis to destroy the hospital,” Alashi continued, recounting his earlier conversation with the representative from the ICRC. “I’m going to take you, the Red Cross and the Israelis to the International Criminal Court,” he announced before hanging up the telephone."

Mosby

(16,304 posts)
39. just to clarify
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jul 2014

If the IDF fired missiles at this hospital for no reason then they should be condemned in the strongest terms, I completely agree that it would be a criminal act.

It's not right to draw conclusions at this point however, without hearing the other side of the story. Hamas and their supporters have a horrendous track record when it comes to telling the truth, just today there is a story coming from Palestinian officials that the IDF is using sarin gas against Gazans. It's ridiculous.

Some of the highly partisan (to put it diplomatically) websites like mondoweiss, EI and +972 blog have no issues with simply repeating the lies told to them by Hamas and their apologists. That's not reporting, that's spreading anti-Israel propaganda, so using these sites for information about the conflict is an exercise in futility. They are the Palestinian equivalent of Fox news.

What we do know is that Hamas will fire rockets from civilian areas, including mosques, schools and hospitals. Just a couple days ago the UN found 20 Hamas rockets hidden in a school in Gaza. Call me crazy, but I don't think Hamas and company have any credibility at all.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
40. Well from twitter I saw tweets saying that the hospital was being shelled for days while
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:04 PM
Jul 2014

patients wrre still inside. I can't say whether hamas was there but you do not shoot at a hospital with patients in it.

And the fact that there are a large amount of wounded tells you that you leave hospitals alone.

I think they were wrong to do this.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
42. I agree
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:38 PM
Jul 2014

and implying that people who disagree with bombing a hospital have character defects speaks for itself.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
43. Just what are you implying?
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:42 PM
Jul 2014

That people that are appalled at the bombing of a hospital are somehow as guilty as the people that died in that hospital? If so, you are conflating events so desperately that I truly can't figure out where you are trying to go with this train of thought.

Mosby

(16,304 posts)
45. I didn't say anything like that
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 04:09 PM
Jul 2014

Hamas wants to use human shields as much as possible so they fire rockets from schools, mosques and hospitals.

Then when the Israelis defend themselves by returning fire they win on the propaganda front even if they lose a fighter or civilian.

Even though Hamas is not even remotely progressive, they have learned how to manipulate progressives and liberals feelings to their advantage, something I find very frustrating.



 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
47. You are free to continue
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 04:18 PM
Jul 2014

with this train wreck of an "argument" but frankly, I don't think anyone believes it. I certainly don't.

Mosby

(16,304 posts)
48. Marching orders from today
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 04:48 PM
Jul 2014

"Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don't forget to always add 'innocent civilian' or 'innocent citizen' in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza.

"Begin [your reports of] news of resistance actions with the phrase 'In response to the cruel Israeli attack,' and conclude with the phrase 'This many people have been martyred since Israel launched its aggression against Gaza.' Be sure to always perpetuate the principle of 'the role of the occupation is attack, and we in Palestine are fulfilling [the role of] the reaction.'

"Beware of spreading rumors from Israeli spokesmen, particularly those that harm the home front. Be wary regarding accepting the occupation's version [of events]. You must always cast doubts on this [version], disprove it, and treat it as false.


"When speaking to the West, you must use political, rational, and persuasive discourse, and avoid emotional discourse aimed at begging for sympathy. There are elements with a conscience in the world; you must maintain contact with them and activate them for the benefit of Palestine. Their role is to shame the occupation and expose its violations.

"Avoid entering into a political argument with a Westerner aimed at convincing him that the Holocaust is a lie and deceit; instead, equate it with Israel's crimes against Palestinian civilians.

"The narrative of life vs. the narrative of blood: [When speaking] to an Arab friend, start with the number of martyrs. [But when speaking] to a Western friend, start with the number of wounded and dead. Be sure to humanize the Palestinian suffering. Try to paint a picture of the suffering of the civilians in Gaza and the West Bank during the occupation's operations and its bombings of cities and villages.

"Do not publish photos of military commanders. Do not mention their names in public, and do not praise their achievements in conversations with foreign friends!"

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8076.htm

You see the part I bolded? They are talking about Liberals and Progressives.

I can't stop you from ignoring the obvious but you're being used IMO.




azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
44. Here's the entire 'narrative' in which the ICRC could seem to play the 'willing fool'
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:59 PM
Jul 2014
Only after the facility was under heavy fire and in the process of being abandoned did Alashi receive a phone call from the International Committee for the Red Cross (ICRC) relaying a message from the Israeli army. A women who identified herself as a delegate of the ICRC said, “the Israelis asked ‘how much time do you need to evacuate,’” said Alashi, answering “two hours.” However, within an hour when the woman called back and said the Israeli army “will halt the bombings, and not bomb the hospital any more,” the facility was already in rubble. Alashi responded, “Are you joking, are you making a mockery of me? I told her it’s too late they have already destroyed it.”

“I said that the Red Cross is cooperating with the Israelis to destroy the hospital,” Alashi continued, recounting his earlier conversation with the representative from the ICRC. “I’m going to take you, the Red Cross and the Israelis to the International Criminal Court,” he announced before hanging up the telephone.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
10. Israeli tanks shell Gaza hospital, injure several
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:41 PM
Jul 2014

Baku-APA. Several people have suffered injuries after Israeli tanks shelled a hospital in the besieged Gaza Strip, APA reports quoting Press TV.

The director of Gaza's al-Wafa hospital, where some patients are paralyzed or in comas, said the facility was targeted on Thursday.

"Israeli tanks are shelling the hospital, they have hit several of the floors, and several nurses have been injured," AFP quoted Basman al- Ashi as saying.

The director of the hospital further noted that their attempt for transferring patients to other hospitals has failed.

http://en.apa.az/news/214086

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
15. The Israeli propagandists on DU should be ashamed for defending this.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:37 PM
Jul 2014

I guess there's no bar so low they won't stoop to get under. Simply pathetic.

TMIK

(1 post)
29. I am new here but...
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 04:27 AM
Jul 2014

When it comes to economics? We will probably never agree. When it comes to children falling from the sky. When it comes too kids at the border. I bet we can. It's about all of us opening are hearts and seeing the greater good. That's why I joined DU tonight. and I bet a lot of you will disagree with a lot of my opinions (it's never personal) but that is what debate is all about. I look forward, now being a member, to respond to many of the things I've read here over the last year.

Mosby

(16,304 posts)
53. not really
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jul 2014

Israel spends about 15.5 billion dollars per year on the military, about 3 billion comes from the US.

procon

(15,805 posts)
52. Chris Hayes is covering this now
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 09:01 PM
Jul 2014

He's questioning some Israeli spokesman RE: the bombing of hospitals. Evidently bombing is a justified action if the 'collateral damage' is relatively minimal... what does that mean???

Hayes called him out by pointing out the so called school which he claimed that Hamas was using to store missiles, was actually an abandoned building that had not been used as a school for years.

4now

(1,596 posts)
56. Sick and disgusting that our country is paying for this.
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 07:21 PM
Jul 2014

Its just pathetic that some people try to justify this.

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