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Israeli

(4,148 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:32 AM Jul 2014

Israeli artists who oppose the war find social networks a minefield

Actors, singers and directors are expressing sympathy for the victims on both sides. That irks some rightists.
By Dafna Arad | 04:10 22.07.14

As the guns roar in Gaza, Israeli artists who express sorrow over the deaths on both sides have been pilloried on social networks. “A disgrace to the State of Israel” is one of the kinder phrases.

Comedienne and actress Orna Banai is just one example. She described herself as a “weirdo left-wing Arab-lover” on a news broadcast — and yes, expressed sorrow over the deaths of civilians on both sides and said she opposed the war. In turn, wags on social networks have turned the guns on her, mixing in a dose of misogyny and homophobia; Banai is a declared lesbian.

The actress discussed her views with a local Tel Aviv newspaper, whose editor provided the following headline: “Orna Banai: ‘I’m ashamed that this is my people.’”

Over the weekend, a Hebrew-language Facebook page surfaced entitled “Orna Banai and anti-Israel artists to Gaza.” The page’s custodians made sure to add a subtitle: “Over there they’ll be happy to rape you and your daughters in front of your husband, and only afterward slaughter him as well.”

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Israeli artists who oppose the war find social networks a minefield (Original Post) Israeli Jul 2014 OP
........... Israeli Jul 2014 #1
Ultra-nationalists -- of any persuasion -- are always ready to give artists the "Dixie Chicks" villager Jul 2014 #2
Not just artists villager.... Israeli Jul 2014 #3
Well, of course. It's just that many artists start with a larger platform, so if they "betray" villager Jul 2014 #4
" immediate and unstinting..." Israeli Jul 2014 #5
Four brave women in a fearful time Israeli Jul 2014 #6
Social media, especially during all the violence..people will say anything. When I hear an academic, Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #7
its not just social media tho Jefferson..... Israeli Jul 2014 #8
I understand that, the distinction I was trying to convey was that on social media we see Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #9
I'm fine Jefferson.... Israeli Jul 2014 #13
I'm glad to hear you're fine, Israeli. Chilling has been the norm lately. It is one thing to hear Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #15
WATCH: Jon Stewart on why 'we need to talk about Israel' - but can't Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #10
made me laugh ... Israeli Jul 2014 #14
Relevant indeed. Stewart is a good guy who often takes risks. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #16
WATCH: Hillary Clinton rebuffs Jon Stewart on Israeli-Palestinian conflict Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #17
MSNBC’s Sole Palestinian Voice Rula Jebreal Takes on Pro-Israeli Gov’t Bias at Network & in US Media Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #11
PLO’s Hanan Ashrawi: ‘Deliberate Massacre’ in Gaza ( ABC News video and transcript ) Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #12
I am posting this here because for me, I have not read of a more bizarre PR campaign for war Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #18
LOL Jefferson.... Israeli Jul 2014 #19
lol, I saw that as I was searching IDF propaganda due to all that has been going on. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #20
“Jewish human rights organization.” Israeli Jul 2014 #21
oh good lord Shurat HaDin azurnoir Jul 2014 #22
did they ever try suing Shulamit Aloni ... Israeli Jul 2014 #23
I have no idea to be honest- not that I know of albeit they seem to prefer American courts azurnoir Jul 2014 #24
they didnt azurnoir... Israeli Jul 2014 #25
Thank you I was not sure about that they're usually spoken of as if they are Israeli azurnoir Jul 2014 #26
lol, ok..I will. Thanks for the links, Israeli and stay well. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #27
Got another for you Jefferson23.... Israeli Oct 2014 #28
Doesn't sound like a worthwhile investment. King_David Oct 2014 #29
Take it more as a teaching tool .... Israeli Oct 2014 #31
Lo lefi taami King_David Oct 2014 #32
Care to translate KD ?.... Israeli Oct 2014 #33
It is gibberish that the point. King_David Oct 2014 #34
Priceless, lol. That one gets 5 stars. Jefferson23 Oct 2014 #30

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
1. ...........
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:34 AM
Jul 2014

During the Jerusalem International Film Festival, which ended Sunday, a raft of directors called for a cease-fire in a letter; one of them was Shira Geffen. None other than Culture and Sports Minister Limor Livnat replied in a Facebook post, referring to the directors as “a disgrace to the State of Israel.”

When Geffen’s film was about to be screened, the director went onstage, read out the names of four Palestinian children who had been killed on a Gaza beach, and asked those who felt as she did to stand for a moment of silence.

The responses were harsh. A Hebrew-language Facebook page entitled “Contra B’tselem” — referring to the rights group — published a post reading: “Does such a woman have a place in the State of Israel?! Does such a woman deserve that Israeli army troops should protect her while she sleeps?! Our troops are fighting and she stands for a moment of silence for the enemy that fires on us without letup?!

“Shira Geffen, you are a disgrace to the country! Why don’t you stand in silence in memory of Staff Sgt. Eitan Barak, a combat soldier who fell defending the country? We are ashamed that there are people like you in the country. And it’s even sadder to me that Staff Sgt. Eitan Barak of blessed memory was killed as he protected a woman like you. What does your brother [the singer Aviv Geffen] sing? We’re a screwed-up generation? Well, we’re a screwed-up generation because of people like you!

Shira Geffen’s own Facebook post about the incident reads: “The fact that expressing empathy for the four dead children draws such hateful and violent responses shows how low our society has sunk. With your permission, I would like to come out of the closet — when a child is killed, it hurts me no matter whether he is an Israeli or a Palestinian, from Ashkelon or from Gaza."

According to Geffen, “My very ability to feel empathy for both sides does not make me anti-Israel. I can have compassion and mourn with the three mothers who lost their children in the abominable terror attack of kidnapping and murder just the same as I can feel compassion for a child who was burned alive."

Trouble in Spain, too

On Thursday, the singer Achinoam Nini, also known as Noa, described an anti-Israel demonstration outside one of her concerts in Spain.

“Before the concert, there was a very loud demonstration against Israel,” including cries of “Noa terrorista.” As Noa described the situation on Facebook, in Israel she is attacked by the right and pays “a very high price for being outspoken about peace and expressing left wing political views, and in Spain, the left calls me a terrorist.”

According to Noa in her English-language post, before the concert she told the audience how once again “we are paying the price of the failure and cowardice of political and religious leaders, who have betrayed us, Arabs and Jews alike, by not doing everything in their power to avoid violence. No excuses are acceptable.

“I believe in peace, I believe in two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side, supporting each other, growing together. I believe in dialogue, it is the only way.”

On the other side of the political map, rapper Yoav Eliasi, also known as the Shadow, has launched a group called the Shadow’s Lions, which expresses hatred of the war’s opponents. Eliasi’s people hold right-wing demonstrations directly across from left-wing rallies.

The Lions say they’re for anyone “tired of the left wing’s hypocrisy – anyone tired of sitting at the keyboard who wants to do something beyond putting up angry posts.” Eliasi marks out targets for the group and has his picture taken with rifles.

But he too has a tough adversary: the left-wingers who make fun of the images he posts. They bash his musical career and create Facebook pages with titles like “the Shadow does cute things.” Or they report his posts as offensive and try to get them taken off Facebook. He details these problems on his own page.

In the meantime, Noa is on the defensive. “To remove any shadow of a doubt: I have no sympathy for Hamas or any of the insane jihadis of whatever kind. The relentless, deliberate bombings of civilians are intolerable, and I too am frightened for the welfare of my family and for all of Israel,” she wrote in Hebrew on Facebook.

“I’m worried about the welfare of innocent civilians wherever they may be, even in Gaza! What — are they fair game? But I say again and again that our leaders have a responsibility to make peace in any way possible, and by doing so to protect our lives.”


Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.606482

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
2. Ultra-nationalists -- of any persuasion -- are always ready to give artists the "Dixie Chicks"
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:42 AM
Jul 2014

...treatment, if they speak out against their worship of their true God -- Mars.

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
3. Not just artists villager....
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 02:14 AM
Jul 2014

anyone who dares to disagree with them ........

Walking between the drops while it’s raining death in Gaza

http://adam-keller2.blogspot.co.il/2014/07/walking-between-drops-while-its-raining.html

On Saturday night Gush Shalom will join with peace and human rights organizations in a protest against the cruel and unnecessary war called "Operation Protective Edge". Last week, an earlier demonstration on the same location was attacked by extreme right thugs. Organizers of the current protest have taken precautions to make sure this is not repeated - and of course, what happened will not deter us from expressing our position on an issue vital to our future.
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
4. Well, of course. It's just that many artists start with a larger platform, so if they "betray"
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 02:17 AM
Jul 2014

...the war-makers' cause by speaking out to their public against the violence and killing, the enmity is immediate and unstinting...

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
6. Four brave women in a fearful time
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:11 AM
Jul 2014

By Yossi Sarid

Today’s column, for a change, is a thank-you note. It expresses my gratitude to four courageous women – Orna Banai, Shira Geffen, Gila Almagor and Achinoam Nini – whose mouths say what is in their hearts and reveal it to us. In a place where there were no men, they were women.

Our thanks are also due to the other few good women and men who have waived their right to remain silent and fulfilled their duty to the state and society. If they have slipped my memory for a moment, history won’t forget them; it remembers despite its advanced age.

From my own experience, I know they are now feeling abandoned, completely alone; but they aren’t feeling miserable. They are sure of themselves, yet their isolation must weigh on them. All those who hesitate to express their own views will surely be too afraid to support the views of these women. But haven’t we always been impressed by “opinionated women”? How did it happen that they have suddenly become witches, that they, of all people, are now being hunted?

Do Nini, Geffen, Banai and Almagor love the children of Sderot and Zikim any less? Are they any less concerned for our soldiers in Gaza? Does the cacophonous MK Miri Regev love and care about them more? They say there is love and solidarity in war, but what exactly is this love? Hatred, in contrast, is far clearer; it explains itself with a shriek.

I would have expected one other woman – Limor Livnat is her name, and she happens to be the minister of culture, the four womens’ minister – to come to their defense. She isn’t obligated to agree with every word, but she is obligated to defend their right, and their obligation, to say it. But what does the culture minister have to do with the culture of public discourse?

One would also have expected a suitable statement from the education minister, Shay Piron, but his mouth is full of pronouncements about how “Israel is moving up a grade” and about “meaningful learning.” And thus, altering a single Hebrew letter, he has turned “Quiet, they’re shooting” into “be quiet, teachers” – male and female alike.

Each of these four women has expressed herself in her own fashion. Nevertheless, their statements have a common denominator: At a certain moment, they became ashamed of their Israeli identity – all of them together and, above all, each one individually. One became ashamed when the spirit of revenge began sweeping through the land and terrorizing it; another became ashamed when four children were killed while playing on a beach in Gaza; a third became ashamed when thugs rained blows on demonstrators as policemen simply stood there, just as they did in notorious pogroms; and the fourth became ashamed when Bedouin were killed and wounded in “open spaces” as transparent, unrecognized citizens. Has there been a lack of opportunities for shame recently?

I, too, was filled with it, when I heard a major general of the reserves, or of nothing, urging on television this week that a neighborhood full of people be wiped off the face of the earth. I was also ashamed to see a war criminal from the last war invited to Channel 2’s television studio to give advice on the current war. And I was ashamed to stick my nose into the filth spread across the pages of “the country’s newspaper”: The son of a former prime minister, a dubious character in his own right, was recommending that we “put the entire neighborhood to sleep.” “You don’t remove fleas from a dog with tweezers; you dunk the entire dog in the stuff,” the author barked like a rabid dog, dripping saliva.

Thank you, my friends, for not being afraid. After all, it’s clear “they are afraid,” for if they weren’t, they wouldn’t have come down on you like a ton of bricks. Fear speaks from their throats; they aren’t confident that they are right.

Thank you for standing up for what you believe, for not regretting and not apologizing, for refusing to give in to either Hamas or the local rabble.


They aren’t just threatening your lives and your families; they’re also trying to damage your careers. But you have already proven more than once that your anger is stronger and more important than your pocketbooks. I read in Israel Hayom today that Mano Maritime Ltd. – there is such a company – had decided to do without Orna Banai’s songs and advertisements. Businessmen at sea are the first to identify which way the evil wind is blowing, and they will divert their battered ships to shallow water, wetting themselves from terror of the public.

Look into your hearts and tell me: Haven’t you ever felt a sense of shame over what we have done, or over the songs we have sung? If so, this might be the moment.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.606544

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
7. Social media, especially during all the violence..people will say anything. When I hear an academic,
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:17 AM
Jul 2014

I feel especially uneasy:

Israeli professor's 'rape as terror deterrent' statement draws ire

'The only thing that deters a suicide bomber is the knowledge that if he pulls the trigger or blows himself up, his sister will be raped,' says Bar-Ilan University professor.


By Or Kashti | 06:14 22.07.14

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.606542

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
8. its not just social media tho Jefferson.....
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:35 AM
Jul 2014

which is why Yossi Sarid felt compelled to say something .

As to Dr. Mordechai Kedar .....he hails from Bar Ilan University which also spawned Yigal Amir.

For those that cant access Haaretz here is another link :

http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/politics/israeli-sosaciety/8314-israeli-academic-raping-palestinian-women-would-deter-attacks

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
9. I understand that, the distinction I was trying to convey was that on social media we see
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:40 AM
Jul 2014

all kinds of extreme language...it is more typical. But here, an academic, even one associated with the right, that is still
chilling to read.

Hope you and yours are well.

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
13. I'm fine Jefferson....
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 04:17 AM
Jul 2014

He is mild compared to some .....

How chilling do you find this ???? :

Israeli rabbi: It’s okay to kill innocent civilians and destroy Gaza

Dov Lior, a racist Israeli rabbi from the West Bank settlement Kiryat Arba, recently posted a Halakhic ruling allowing to kill innocent civilians, after being asked about the “war” (it’s a massacre) in Gaza.

Here are a few lines from the ruling (pictured below):

“The Torah of Israel guides us in all walks of life, private and public, on how to behave during war and also how to keep moral standards.

The Maharal from Prague (Rabbi Judah Loew – A.K.), in his book Gur Arye, clearly writes that… in all wars the attacked people are allowed to attack fiercely the people from whom the attackers came from and they do not have to check if he personally belongs to the fighters.

Therefore, during war the attacked people are allowed to punish the enemy population in any punishment it finds worthy, such as denying supplies or electricity and also to bomb the whole area according to the discretion of the army minister and not to just simply endanger soldier’s lives but to take crushing deterrence steps to exterminate the enemy.

In the case of Gaza, the Minister of Defense will be allowed to instruct even the destruction of Gaza so that the south will no longer suffer and to avoid harm to our people who have been suffering for so long from the surrounding enemies.”

Any kind of talk about humanism and consideration are moot when speaking of saving our brothers in the south and in the rest of the country and bringing back quiet to our country.”

http://972mag.com/nstt_feeditem/israeli-rabbi-its-okay-to-kill-innocent-civilians-and-destroy-gaza/

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
15. I'm glad to hear you're fine, Israeli. Chilling has been the norm lately. It is one thing to hear
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 08:28 AM
Jul 2014

hate speech from idiots on the street, this guy was given space at the Wall Street Journal:

N.Y.U. Professor’s Defense of Civilian Deaths in Gaza “Has No Basis In Existing Law”
Hamas's Civilian Death Strategy

On some basic level, you forfeit your right to be called civilians when you freely elect members of a terrorist organization as statesmen, invite them to dinner with blood on their hands and allow them to set up shop in your living room as their base of operations. At that point you begin to look a lot more like conscripted soldiers than innocent civilians. And you have wittingly made yourself targets. . . .

Surely there are civilians who have been killed in this conflict who have taken every step to distance themselves from this fast-moving war zone, and children whose parents are not card-carrying Hamas loyalists. These are the true innocents of Gaza. It is they for whom our sympathy should be reserved. The impossibility of identifying them, and saving them, is Israel's deepest moral dilemma.



http://online.wsj.com/articles/thane-rosenbaum-civilian-casualties-in-gaza-1405970362?tesla=y&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
10. WATCH: Jon Stewart on why 'we need to talk about Israel' - but can't
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:06 PM
Jul 2014
In his latest satirical take on the Israel-Hamas crisis, 'The Daily Show' host gets shouted down for even mentioning the Jewish State.
By Haaretz | Jul. 22, 2014 | 3:42 PM


It can't be easy being a comedian at the moment. The news coming out of Israel and Gaza doesn't exactly lend itself to satire. As Jon Stewart, the host of Comedy Central's 'The Day Show,' discovered last week when he included a segment on Operation Protective Edge.

Stewart - who was born Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz and who describes himself as Jewish by ethnicity but irreligious by nature - was subjected to whirlwind of online backlash for what was perceived in some quarters as unjustified criticism of Israel.

On Monday night's show, Stewart poked fun at all those who criticized his criticism - by having members of his own team drown him out which shouts of 'Self-hating Jew' and 'Hamas supporter' wheneve he even mentioned Israel.

The irony, of course, is that, in the end, Stewart didn't discuss Israel on Monday's show.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/video/1.606618

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
14. made me laugh ...
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 04:29 AM
Jul 2014
On Monday night's show, Stewart poked fun at all those who criticized his criticism - by having members of his own team drown him out which shouts of 'Self-hating Jew' and 'Hamas supporter' wheneve he even mentioned Israel.

Kinda relevant to here dont you think ?



Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
17. WATCH: Hillary Clinton rebuffs Jon Stewart on Israeli-Palestinian conflict
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 04:09 PM
Jul 2014
In an extended interview with comedian Jon Stewart, Hillary Clinton disagrees with Stewart's characterization of the current state of affairs in Gaza and explains why.

By Haaretz | Jul. 20, 2014 | 1:05 AM

Transcript:

"Jon Stewart: I very much appreciate you spending a little extra time with us, I know you are off and running. You negotiated the previous ceasefire between Hamas and Israel. Before we even get into the obvious snake pit of, 'these guys are right, these guy are wrong, they are evil, that whole thing,' can we at least agree that the humanitarian crisis in Gaza is overwhelming and that the world must do more for the people who are trapped by this conflict?

Hillary Clinton: And they’re trapped by their leadership. Unfortunately, it’s a two-pronged trapping that is committed to resistance and violence and therefore their actions are mostly about how do we get new and better missiles to launch them at Israel instead of saying, ‘hey, lets try to figure out how we’re going to help make your lives better.’ And when I negotiated the cease-fire in November of 2012, it was right on the brink of Israel once again invading Gaza because of the rockets and so I flew from Cambodia, where I was with the president, to try to see what I can do. And, you know, the Israelis are absolutely right in saying that they can’t just sit there and let rockets rain down. They have a missile defense system, which is working well, but, you know, that can’t be certain, and now there are drones apparently that are being launched from Gaza. They have tried with the Palestinian Authority President Abbas to figure out a way to try to move forward on some sort of negotiated settlement, very difficult. But the Hamas leadership now feels somewhat trapped themselves because they had an ally with the Muslim brotherhood. I negotiated the cease-fire with Morsi and Morsi was able to convince the Hamas groups to abide by it. He’s gone, and now the new regime in Cairo sees Hamas as a danger to them because they see them as a source of instability and violence that can affect them in Sinai and beyond. So they are trapped. And they are trapped, I would argue, first and foremost, by leadership that doesn’t really want to make the situation too much better because that gives them a lot of leverage over the poor people in Gaza.

Stewart: Don’t you think they would look at that, though, as, they’ve given a lot of different things a chance, these are the only guys to them that are giving any resistance to what their condition is and if you’re living in that situation, couldn’t you see yourself thinking, these are our freedom fighters, even if they might be viewed differently?

Clinton: I don’t agree with that for a couple of reasons. When Israel withdrew from Gaza, and I was aware of that, I was in the Senate, I was talking to the people who were organizing it, they left a lot of their businesses. There was a very valuable horticultural business that was set up by the Israelis that had lived in Gaza , and the idea was that this would be literally turned over, money was provided, there would be a fund that would train Palestinians in Gaza to do this work. And basically, the leadership said, ‘We don’t want anything left from Israel.’ Destroyed it all. That mentally, to me, is hard to deal with. If you look at the Palestinian Authority, even though it’s hard for them, they have said we want to end the violence, we want to negotiate a two-state solution, and we recognize Israel’s right to exist. Hamas has not, and says it will not do that. so we’re really in a terrible dilemma. And today there was an offer of a cease-fire from the Egyptian government. The Israelis immediately accepted it. The Hamas leadership said no. So part of what I see Hamas doing is their identity comes from being the violent resistance because they’re trying to somehow set themselves apart from Abbas and the Fatah segment to say ‘OK, we will talk with, we will deal with, we will cooperate with Israel despite our desire to have a state.’"

http://www.haaretz.com/news/video/1.606111

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
11. MSNBC’s Sole Palestinian Voice Rula Jebreal Takes on Pro-Israeli Gov’t Bias at Network & in US Media
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:44 PM
Jul 2014

This is a rush transcript. Copy may not be in its final form.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: We turn now to the controversies around media coverage of the crisis here in the U.S. Over the weekend, NBC reversed its decision to remove veteran correspondent Ayman Mohyeldin from Gaza. Mohyeldin was removed shortly after he reported on witnessing Israel’s killing of four boys on a Gaza beach. His reports gave voice to Palestinian victims and placed the siege in the wider context of Israeli occupation, drawing criticism from supporters of Israel’s offensive. NBC’s decision to remove one of its top reporters sparked a massive backlash on social media, with the hashtag #LetAymanReport becoming a trending topic on Twitter. Days later, NBC backed down, and Ayman Mohyeldin resumed his reporting on Sunday. In a Twitter post, Mohyeldin acknowledged the social media campaign that demanded his return, saying, quote, "Thanks for all the support. Proud of NBC’s continued commitment to cover the #Palestinian side of the story."

AMY GOODMAN: On Monday, one of MSNBC’s frequent contributors, Rula Jebreal, took to the network’s airwaves to criticize the initial decision to remove Ayman and the broader exclusion of Palestinian voices. Jebreal was speaking on MSNBC’s Ronan Farrow Daily.

RULA JEBREAL: We’re ridiculous. We are disgustingly biased when it comes to this issue. Look at how many airtime Netanyahu and his folks have on air on a daily basis, Andrea Mitchell and others. I never see one Palestinian being interviewed on these same issues, not even for—

RONAN FARROW: Well, I’ll push back on that a little. We have had Palestinian voices on our show.

in full: http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/23/msnbcs_sole_palestinian_voice_rula_jebreal

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
12. PLO’s Hanan Ashrawi: ‘Deliberate Massacre’ in Gaza ( ABC News video and transcript )
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 05:11 PM
Jul 2014

By ABC News
Jul 20, 2014 1:23pm

From ABC’s Sandra Petrykowski

PLO executive committee member Hanan Ashrawi lashed out at Israel today over what she described as “war crimes” and the “deliberate massacre” of Palestinian civilians during Israel’s current ground offensive in the Gaza Strip.

“This morning, it’s nothing short of a massacre, a deliberate massacre. War crimes committed daily. But now there is a deliberate shelling and bombing and destruction of whole areas, of residential areas,” Ashrawi said on “This Week.”

“These are war crimes being committed before the world, before the eyes of the whole world and I just can’t understand how people sit back and say [it's] self-defense. I just can’t take the language, I can’t take the propaganda, I can’t take the mantra that Israel has a right to defend itself. Against whom? Against innocent civilians? More than 80 children have been torn to bits. Is this self-defense?” Ashrawi added in her extended interview with ABC’s Hamish Macdonald reporting today from Ramallah.

As of Sunday morning, more than 400 Palestinians have been killed — including at least 60 on Sunday alone — and more than 35,000 Gaza residents have been displaced since Israel launched Operation Protective Edge on July 8, in response to Hamas rocket fire into Israel. Eighteen Israeli Defense Forces troops have been killed in the latest ground offensive into Gaza, now in its fourth day.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/07/plos-hanan-ashrawi-deliberate-massacre-in-gaza/

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
18. I am posting this here because for me, I have not read of a more bizarre PR campaign for war
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 08:47 AM
Jul 2014

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Israeli

(4,148 posts)
19. LOL Jefferson....
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 03:11 PM
Jul 2014

Where do you find this shit ????

A little background :

http://972mag.com/what-is-ngo-monitors-connection-to-the-israeli-government/90239/

A third organization, which portrays itself as a non-governmental organization but serves the government of Israel, is Shurat HaDin – Israel Law Center. Shurat HaDin primarily serves as an attack dog overseas, especially against supporters of the boycott, sanctions and divestment (BDS) movement. (Recently they have been trying to sue an Australian professor, Jake Lynch, who refused to hire an Israeli, on the grounds that he violated Australia’s hate crimes law.) As I’ve pointed out in the past, relying on WikiLeaks cables, Shurat HaDin was actually directed by the Israeli intelligence and government. By the way, Shurat HaDin defines itself as a “Jewish human rights organization.”


If you really want to get to know them then just read their blog @
http://ilcblog.org/

example :http://ilcblog.org/2014/07/23/stop-the-hypocrisy/

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
20. lol, I saw that as I was searching IDF propaganda due to all that has been going on.
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 03:18 PM
Jul 2014

I thought, oh my freakin God..they have got to be kidding..I almost didn't post
it because I mean..is someone trying to punk people or what. How can that be real?

lol, but it was legit..they do this, and the money is astronomical to attend.

I posted it in your thread..I was hoping you would see it and comment.

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
21. “Jewish human rights organization.”
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 04:11 PM
Jul 2014

LMFAO .

Stick to http://www.acri.org.il/en/

and to http://www.btselem.org/

last thing Shurat HaDin cares about is human rights ....

I leave you to define " human " Jefferson.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
22. oh good lord Shurat HaDin
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 04:30 PM
Jul 2014

are they still trying to sue Jimmy Carter, they lost the first case and said they were going to refile

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
23. did they ever try suing Shulamit Aloni ...
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jul 2014

....for going further than Jimmy Carter ever dared to go ?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
24. I have no idea to be honest- not that I know of albeit they seem to prefer American courts
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 04:50 PM
Jul 2014

they did lose at the attempt to seize Iranian artifacts on loan to the University of Chicago as compensation for terror victims

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
26. Thank you I was not sure about that they're usually spoken of as if they are Israeli
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 05:02 PM
Jul 2014

are they dual citizens maybe? I thought that maybe American courts were friendlier to them or something

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
28. Got another for you Jefferson23....
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 03:37 AM
Oct 2014

Thought you might appreciate it .

Ami Kaufman does it again .......

New Israeli theme park celebrates wonders of occupation (satire)

A new amusement park outside Tel Aviv celebrates the world of occupation, taking visitors through the wonders of apartheid and oppression, still ongoing just minutes away from the park.



Shurat Hadin ad


After the huge success of his Mission to Israel tours (as seen in the ad above), where thousands of American Jews over the years tour the borders of Israel, meet Mossad agents, talk to Palestinian collaborators and walk the Hamas terrorist trail, Israeli entrepreneur Eli Soneh-Aravim has taken it up one level and opened the ultimate theme park for the American Zionist: OccupiedLand.

“The idea is for people to really feel how it is to oppress someone and not just fund and enable it for decades from abroad,” says Soneh-Aravim to +972. “The visitor becomes an apartheid activist for a day – it’s a feeling they’ll never forget,” he added.

The park map given at the entrance gives some information about the rides available to visitors:

It’s a Small Strip – Sing along to the classic tune “It’s a Small Strip After All” while on a delightful musical boat tour hosted by the children of Gaza. From a bombed dock, climb aboard a cozy boat and set sail along a 10-minute journey through mostly rubble, devastation and amputees.

Terrorists of the Tunnels – Probably one of the most beloved rides in OccupiedLand since it opened, ride through an open APC while surrounded by bloodthirsty Hamas terrorists. Escape through the maze of tunnels – but beware: there may be surprises around each corner! Careful not to bump into any goats being smuggled from Egypt!

The IDF Revenge – Dubbed the “scariest ride in the world”, riders on this mechanism are put in a red circle on the ground on their backs, as an F-16 flies over and drops 2 one-tonne bombs on them. Not for the faint of heart.

The Bibi Pendulum – Subjecting riders to various levels of angular momentum, this ride takes you all the way up to the sky high (and barely visible) two state solution and just seconds later swings violently towards an announcement on new settlements in the West Bank. Guaranteed to make your stomach churn!

Peace Process Carousel – Kids will love this classic. Sit on top of famous U.S. secretaries of state and Middle East envoys throughout the years and just keep going in circles! Forever! (Caution, this ride goes on for at least 20 years).

Skunk Express – Set in authentic West Bank surroundings, this little kiddie ride lets toddlers spray filthy water on anything that moves or dares to think they have the right to protest for civil rights. Great way to educate kids for the future!

The Settlement Log Ride – Just like a real settlement, this log ride has more fresh water in it than all the Palestinian cities in the West Bank – combined!

Apartheid Cars – Not your regular bumper cars: In OccupiedLand they’re for Jews only, and there’s a separate line with real live Palestinians who never get on! They just stand there! Looking at you!

The AIPAC Tea Party – Sit down on any one of these blue and white colored tea cups, then spin the center disks with pictures of Congressman and give it a whirl to make your U.S. politician spin a little faster! You control everything! (Ride is suitable for any Jew – from Liberal Zionists to Kahanists.)

Checkpoint Choo-Choo – Get on this train that stops every 4 seconds at a checkpoint for 5 hours. Your kids will never stop crying! (Expectant mothers are allowed to ride and give birth on train during the wait).

Tear Gas Terror – Just like your favorite sitting duck stall at the fair, shoot American made tear gas canisters straight at protesting Palestinians. A direct hit gets you impunity and an authentic “cleared by IDF internal investigation” certificate.

Source: http://972mag.com/new-israeli-theme-park-celebrates-wonders-of-occupation-satire/97457/

King_David

(14,851 posts)
29. Doesn't sound like a worthwhile investment.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 07:17 AM
Oct 2014

My advice would be don't buy, or sell.
Probably won't be around in a few months.

Israeli

(4,148 posts)
31. Take it more as a teaching tool ....
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 03:09 AM
Oct 2014

...than an investment KD ......

" Eli Soneh-Aravim has taken it up one level and opened the ultimate theme park for the American Zionist: OccupiedLand.

“The idea is for people to really feel how it is to oppress someone and not just fund and enable it for decades from abroad,” says Soneh-Aravim to +972. “The visitor becomes an apartheid activist for a day – it’s a feeling they’ll never forget,” he added. "




Israeli

(4,148 posts)
33. Care to translate KD ?....
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 08:15 AM
Oct 2014

" Lo lefi taami " .....gibberish to me .

Its satire KD ....beyond your intellectual capabilities .

King_David

(14,851 posts)
34. It is gibberish that the point.
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 08:48 AM
Oct 2014

Of course your so much smarter than me and your " intellectual capabilities" are so far superior to mine .

That makes you feel better?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
30. Priceless, lol. That one gets 5 stars.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 07:36 AM
Oct 2014

*Apartheid Cars – Not your regular bumper cars: In OccupiedLand they’re for Jews only, and there’s a separate line with real live Palestinians who never get on! They just stand there! Looking at you!


Thanks, Israeli..excellent satire.

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