Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumSlaughter is not self-defense: The assault on Gaza and the corruption of language
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/slaughter-corruption-language.htmlLet us not descend to this game of differentiating Palestinian civilians, or even Palestinian children, from Palestinian combatants. Israel targets Palestinians because Palestinians very existence is resistance, not because Hamas uses them as human shields. It is this diverse, differentiated, creative, vital, persistent existence of Palestinians that frustrates Israel, not the existence of Hamas or its rockets, which Israel has never really sought to eradicate, so handy an excuse are they for its periodic incursions and slaughters. And since it is the Palestinians right, as it is that of any occupied people, to resist, Israels resort is to deny them the right to exist.
So, for all the sanctimonious prattle emanating from Washington, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem or Fox News about protecting civilian lives, Israels aim once again seems to be to murder so many Palestinians that their individual identities dissolve into an undifferentiated statistical mass and they will become nameless. It is not enough that they be killed. Their very existence must be annulled, in keeping with the old Zionist lie about a land without people.
But for Israel to do so, Palestinians must be morally evicted beyond the line that separates human beings from things to be destroyed. So Israels mouthpieces and their global flock of media parrots chatter earnestly about how Arab culture does not value human life as Israelis do. Or, like US General James Conway, they bleat after Benjamin Netanyahu about the deep and wide moral abyss that separates Israel from its enemies; like Harvard Professor Ruth Wisse, they replay ad nauseam Golda Meirs hypocritical jest about how peace would come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us; or, like even Israeli columnist and liberal Zionist Ari Shavit, they wonder why Palestine has yet to produce a Nelson Mandela, conveniently forgetting that for decades Mandela too was jailed as a terrorist.
Indydem
(2,642 posts)Gaza is one of the to 10 most densely populated places in the world. If the IDF was actually out to kill as many gazans as possible, they wouldn't have to try very hard.
The fact they have been as effective as they have at keeping the death toll down is a tribute to how hard they are trying not to have collateral damage.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just so you know where he is coming from.
frylock
(34,825 posts)clearly.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)70% of those Palestinians that are dead are civilians.
earthside
(6,960 posts)The longer this goes on, the worse it is going to be for Netanyahu and Israel.
It becomes clearer as one looks at history that Israel is way beyond its official and legal 1947 boundaries -- it is occupying land set aside by the UN for the indigenous Palestianian Arab peoples.
Hamas may seem to have a radical agenda vis-à-vis the existence of Israel as a state; however, the blockade of Gaza; the appropriation of 'buffer zones'; the political 'occupation' of Gaza; etc., all means that the residents of Gaza have a right to resist oppression. Indeed, one can certainly make the argument that Israel by its actions is not acknowledging the right of the Palestinian people to exist -- an equally radical position.
The rocketing of Israel under the conditions the Israeli government has imposed on Gaza becomes quite understandable. Israel's argument of 'self-defense' becomes rather less credible.
The more destruction and death exacted on innocents in Gaza ... and discussions about the true story of what Israel has been doing to Gaza and the West Bank, is going to mean more and more countries, like Bolivia, are going to declare Israel a 'terrorist state'.
cer7711
(502 posts). . . couldn't have said it better.
As for the on-going assault on Gaza re: the admirable restraint of the Israelis in using pin-prick strikes to eradicate Hamas terrorists, see photographic evidence of this collective-punishment policy in action. (Warning! May include photos of the 'telegenically dead'.)
https://www.google.com/search?q=photos+assault+on+Gaza&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=zs3ZU5GDJsyHyAS7xYDIBQ&ved=0CDYQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=975
For some wise words regarding a way out of this intractable conflict for both Palestinians and Israelis: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lucas-bento/peace-israelis-palestinians-humans_b_5628536.html
frylock
(34,825 posts)good to know that the IDF is showing soooooooooooooo much restraint. just imagine the damage they could really do if they just put their hearts into it, goshdarnit.
mettamega
(81 posts)being careful with the lives of women and children- Israeli's cheering from beach chairs while watching Gaza being bombed is not self defense, it is slaughter - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing
mettamega
(81 posts)being careful with the lives of women and children- Israeli's cheering from beach chairs while watching Gaza being bombed is not self defense, it is slaughter - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Pretty much the same.
mettamega
(81 posts)bombing schools, hospitals after just a few minutes 'warnings' is not
being careful with the lives of women and children- Israeli's cheering from beach chairs while watching Gaza being bombed is not self defense, it is slaughter - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing
mettamega
(81 posts)NealK
(1,864 posts)BenFranklin99
(9 posts)Israelis are destroying hospitals, schools, even the electrical plant that is needed to ensure clean water and sewage removal. We can reasonably expect the result to be, besides over a thousand murdered civilians, to be epidemics of cholera, typhus, and typhoid. Israel has gone from valiant underdog to an apartheid, ethnic-cleansing, genocidal state terrorist. Most Americans are applauding, which just goes to show how little morality there really is in American public opinion. The IDF in Gaza is like Cossacks slaughtering Jews in a shtetl.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)you just exploded my irony meter.