‘What You Saw Here Today Was Naked, Blind Antisemitism'.....

[shira]

‘What You Saw Here Today Was Naked, Blind Antisemitism:’ NYC Councilman Slams Palestine Activists Who Disrupted Auschwitz Commemoration Debate (VIDEO)

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/01/22/what-you-saw-here-today-was-naked-blind-antisemitism-nyc-councilman-slams-palestine-activists-who-disrupted-auschwitz-commemoration-debate-video/

New York City Councilman David Greenfield fiercely denounced a group of antisemitic pro-Palestinian demonstrators who disrupted a Council meeting today, at the exact time that a resolution commemorating the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz was being discussed.

Moments after the demonstrators were escorted from the chamber by security guards, Greenfield, the grandchild of Holocaust survivors, began a speech that rapidly evolved into an impassioned discourse on the overlap between hatred of Israel and hatred of Jews....

Yet another proud moment for the BDS movement.

[azurnoir]

1. Here are the video's both should be watched

this one of the protesters

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and the one of Councilman Greenfield's response

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[bemildred]

8. I ain't watching it, but one could summarize as "You dare to question me in public.", amirite?

They sure do get mad.

[azurnoir]

16. and then some

what Council Greenfield said was that "what they (Jewish Voices for Peace as it turns out) were really protesting was that "Hitler didn't finish the job" and went from there to Israel's outstanding Human Rights record, he touched a number of bases

[bemildred]

17. Yeah, the main thing is be loud and angry.

The last thing you want to do is have any dialog. Much as the US government proceeds when embarrassed or challenged directly.

[azurnoir]

21. well the protest took place as the city council was concluding the vote on the Aushwitz resolution

but it was about a trip to Israel 14 council members are taking

I found a direct quote

“What you saw here today was naked, blind anti-Semitism,” he thundered.

“That’s what you saw, and that’s what you watched, and that’s what you witnessed - people who were upset for one reason. Do you want to know why they’re upset, do you want to know why they’re angry, do you want to know why they unfurled that flag today? Because Hitler did not finish the job. He only wiped out half of my family.”

Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito also denounced the protesters. “This outburst was offensive, outrageous and counter to the values of the City Council,” said her spokesman, Eric Koch.

Chiming in on Twitter, Mark Levine (D-Manhattan) called it “disgusting” and Corey Johnson (D-Manhattan) called it “shameful.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/pro-palestinian-activists-disrupt-city-council-meeting-blog-entry-1.2088801

[King_David]

20. How very convenient it turned out to be a "Jewish group"

LOL

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

25. How embarrassing that the evil BDS Palestinians

can't be vilified is more likely.

[King_David]

2. How truly disgusting is that? nt

[azurnoir]

3. why yes chanting Palestinian lives matter is so very offensive at least some here

apparently

[King_David]

4. Would be good to hear some Palestinians or Muslims speaking for some Palestinians or Muslims here...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. Ah, yes, the usual deflections from you...

[shira]

7. So this protest was yet another proud moment for BDS? Good PR? n/t

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[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. "They had the nerve, the Chutzpah (sp), the temreity to unfurl a Palestinian flag..."

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Perhaps while councilman Greenfield was discussing Auschwitz Birkenau he could have stopped to realize that there are other human rights abuses going on in the world...presently, and that people will not sit down and be silent over that any longer.

Do I agree with the protesters methods? Not presently; since it gives people like Councilman Greenfield every chance to complain and explain...or ramble on about how mean people are for exercising their right to use civil disobedience as a vehicle.

It's so nice how he rambles on about how it's not about Israel...but the Jews then launches a tirade about every other Mid East country then goes back to Israel.

And yes, he played the Hitler card in the same breath as the Palestinian flag. Calling the protesters upset because Hitler didn't finish the job was not only over the top, but it is something that I have come to expect from the explainers that react to the Palestinian flag as if they were burned with acid.

It's also funny that he talks about the deaths of innocents, but can't draw a straight line to the innocents that apartheid Israel has murdered.

So this protest was yet another proud moment for BDS?

BDS is there, shira, because of Israeli human rights abuses. Once Israel realizes their errors and corrects them there will not be a need for BDS. Until then, you can get used to it, and I'll get used to the whining.



On edit: thank you spelling police on catching my misspelling of "Chutzpah" instead of the message of my post. It certainly is reassuring that one word, out of an entire post, was saved from ruination. I'm very glad that it is over so that you can now actually consume what I wrote without the embarrassing grammatical mistake.

[shira]

11. Classy. Would u support a BDS protest in front of any random Synagogue?

BTW, your last response was so grossly OTP, I felt I just had to C&P it since you put so much time and effort into it...

Response to shira (Reply #7)Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:25 AM
R. Daneel Olivaw (7,472 posts)
9. "They had the nerve, the hutzba, the temreity to unfurl a Palestinian flag..."


Perhaps while councilman Greenfield was discussing Auschwitz Birkenau he could have stopped to realize that there are other human rights abuses going on in the world...presently, and that people will not sit down and be silent over that any longer.

Do I agree with the protesters methods? Not presently; since it gives people like Councilman Greenfield every chance to complain and explain...or ramble on about how mean people are for exercising their right to use civil disobedience as a vehicle.

It's so nice how he rambles on about how it's not about Israel...but the Jews then launches a tirade about every other Mid East country then goes back to Israel.

And yes, he played the Hitler card in the same breath as the Palestinian flag. Calling the protesters upset because Hitler didn't finish the job was not only over the top, but it is something that I have come to expect from the explainers that react to the Palestinian flag as if they were burned with acid.

It's also funny that he talks about the deaths of innocents, but can't draw a straight line to the innocents that apartheid Israel has murdered.

So this protest was yet another proud moment for BDS?

BDS is there, shira, because of Israeli human rights abuses. Once Israel realizes their errors and corrects them there will not be a need for BDS. Until then, you can get used to it, and I'll get used to the whining.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

28. "Would u support a BDS protest in front of any random Synagogue?"

I support the widespread goal of BDS in bringing about an end to Israeli apartheid.

[shira]

37. Looks like you do. So long as BDS keeps growing, any shit goes.

Am I misunderstanding you?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

41. Reading comprhension, shira. You need to learn how.

[shira]

47. It was just Yes/No. If u don't like that, then make yourself clear.

You're not embarassed about your position, are you?

Is that why you can't answer simple questions?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

53. Why should one be embarrassed for wanting to end apartheid?

Israel needs to see the light, shira.

BDS and a global movement to end Israeli apartheid is that light.

It's only going to get bigger as time goes on, and for those who want to scream "anti-Semite" at every protest are going to look a little silly.

The world has grown tired of Israeli human rights abuses.

[sabbat hunter]

60. a yes or no please

is it wrong to protest in front of a synagogue in the US for BDS?

if yes, isn't that protesting against all jews for what is happening in Israel?

[shira]

66. Looks like you are, b/c you still haven't answered a simple question. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

101. I stand by my statement.

BDS will grow as long as Israel runs the West Bank like its own personal slave, and the world will have to educate Israel, and its vaudevillians, that they will have to change.

[shira]

106. IOW, BDS right or wrong. You'll never denounce BDS no matter how ugly....

....or racist they get - am I right?

Or will you evade this question as well?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

111. The whimpers that come from the defenders of apartheid Israel are so freakishly predictable.

I'm sure there was a lot of that type of whimpering coming out of Pretoria and cape town, but what else would one expect?

[King_David]

112. These posts are more OTT daily

Seriously

LOL

[shira]

113. I'll ask again. You will continue to support BDS no matter how wrong....

....or even horribly wrong they are (like being hateful, bigoted, racist). They can apparently do no wrong as far as you're concerned. They're growing and therefore you're happy.

Correct?

[King_David]

71. So yes or no ,answer Please

is it wrong to protest in front of a synagogue in the US for BDS?

[King_David]

13. What does "hutzba" mean?

[PCIntern]

14. GREAT POST!

A positive DU Classic. I've bookmarked it for further study and reference. I'm well-pleased that you managed to elucidate this. Many thanks to you!

Love the 'hutzba'! Sort of "very unique" (sic)!

[King_David]

22. I thought that post was pretty offensive

[PCIntern]

35. U betcha! Nt

[shira]

38. We're not talking mask slipping. It was ripped off entirely. n/t

[PCIntern]

105. No surprise to me. Nt

[shira]

6. During the EXACT same time an Auschwitz resolution was being discussed?

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You can't possibly be serious.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

10. Well, shira, I guess that the parallels, to a degree, have been lost on you.

[shira]

39. Even classier! Israel=Nazis parallel. You're on a roll! n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

46. I never wrote that, but there are parallels

to any repressive regimes no matter how much they want to call themselves democracies.

[shira]

49. You definitely implied that. And there are no parallels unless...

....you want to make a parallel with just about any nation that's ever been in conflict with another.

It's total bullshit.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

50. Reread post 46 again, shira.

[shira]

51. So then there are parallels b/w the Nazis & every western nation....

....that's been at war, including NATO. According to your illogic.

==================

In Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, & Syria.

Lots of kids and babies killed by western forces.

Occupation.

Repressive conditions.

==================

Or is it only Israel that rates along with the Nazis?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

54. No, shira. You don't really understand

that Israel colonizing other people's land is not what NATO or the West presently does.

[shira]

67. Jews living in their indigenous homeland aren't colonizers....

And BTW, when did the Nazis colonize land?

Seems your Nazi parallels are saved only for the Jewish state.

How utterly disgusting.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

100. "Jews living in their indigenous homeland aren't colonizers...." Yes, shira, they are when Israel

let's illegal settlers colonize the Palestinian territory; which just so happens to be outside the borders of Israel.

And BTW, when did the Nazis colonize land?

You're not really that serious or learned.

[shira]

107. Another non-response. It's pretty much all you're good at here. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

110. You're funny.

[King_David]

57. You most certainly did , it's there for everyone to read nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

98. "Israel=Nazis" ?? No Dave, that is shira's rant. I never wrote that.

Nice try.

[Hestia]

103. "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.

And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."
Friedrich Nietzsche

Which it seems that Israel has become the very monster they wanted to slay.

Hell yeah, protest in front of a Synagogue - nothing is sacred other than the Earth. When it comes human made inventions, all bets are off.

BTW - why are they having an Auschwitz resolution & is the city paying for those 14 people to go there and visit?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

104. I gazed into the abyss...

and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.

[azurnoir]

15. Did Jewish Voices for Peace time the protest to interrupt the resolution or was it something else?

Protest organizer Rosalind Petchesky said the protest was aimed at the Speaker and 14 council members who are planning a trip to Israel next month. The trip has been paid for by Jewish groups which Petchesky called anti-Palestinian.

She said the protest had not been timed to coincide with the Auschwitz vote. It was “absolutely not planned one single bit,” she said.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.638655

[shira]

23. JVP knew what it was doing. Same theme as their sick Yom Kippur funny...

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https://www.facebook.com/JewishVoiceforPeace/posts/10153209602054992?comment_id=10153215534039992&offset=0&total_comments=45

http://freedomfunnies.tumblr.com/post/98926187570/proposal-for-a-direct-action-yom-kippur-5775

JVP liked it so much they posted it at Mondoweiss...

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/proposal-action-kippur

===============

Same shit, different day.

[azurnoir]

27. I had forgotten about that one thanks

how awful of them to suggest some introspection about the 2100-2200 people that dies in Gaza this past summer and on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) too, whatever were they thinking?

[shira]

34. Yeah, it is awful. Jews aren't all responsible for Israel's actions.

No more than all Muslims are responsible for Hamas and Fatah.

[azurnoir]

43. Interesting comment and while I agree Jews should not be held responsible for Israel's actions

however I took the comic as more asking for some rethinking of support for Israel's actions vis a vis Palestinians, rather than being held responsible for them

That said I must admit to being perplexed because you seem to use Jews and Israel almost interchangeably here is one example, there are many more

shira (23,885 posts)
124. You're still maintaining a non-binding UNGA resolution like the Partition Plan....

...negated Jews' rights to live across the green line?

The green armistice line didn't even exist when the Partition Plan was voted on.

Since when has the armistice line been seen as a border that doesn't allow Jews to live beyond it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=93472

[shira]

48. Interesting? No, JVP was flat out wrong. Wrong like the Paris terrorists....

....who thought they'd take out their aggressions on Jews due to the Palestinian situation. Blaming Jews for Israel is bullshit and you know it. Interrupting a discussion on Auschwitz b/c of Palestinians is bullshit too.

I don't know why the hell you'd defend that.

That said I must admit to being perplexed because you seem to use Jews and Israel almost interchangeably here is one example, there are many more

What's not to understand? There was no Israel between the Palestine Mandate and Partition Plan. The area was to be a Jewish homeland where Jews (not Israelis) could live.

[azurnoir]

18. actually the protest took place as the vote was being concluded-the resolution passed BTW

Protesters in the balcony of the Council chamber unfurled a Palestinian flag and began yelling “Palestinian lives matter,” “Don’t support genocide,” and “Melissa, you’re a hypocrite,” a slam on Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito, who will lead the Israel delegation.

Council members reacted furiously to the demonstration - especially because the disruption began as they were concluding a vote on a resolution commemorating the anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp.

A few dozen protesters were booted from the chamber, with some physically removed, and were ordered off the City Hall property all together.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/pro-palestinian-activists-disrupt-city-council-meeting-blog-entry-1.2088801

[King_David]

24. JVP ,the group that provides the cover to the people 'wanting " to claim they ONLY antiZionist.....

My view is that the church desperately wanted Jewish backing as cover for their pro-divestment position and Jewish Voice for Peace became the instrument for providing that backing—or, perhaps, a means for church leaders to delude themselves into thinking that Jewish backing really exists.

Rabbi Eric H. Yoffie served as president of the Union for Reform Judaism from 1996 to 2012. He is now a writer, lecturer and teacher in Westfield, New Jersey.




http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.600579

[azurnoir]

26. so Jewish Voices for Peace isn't really Jewish?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

29. Didn't know that Phillip Weiss was Jewish.

Thinks that s/he has the ability to decide who can speak their mind in I/P.

Apparently believes that they can decide what should be published in I/P or Jewish group..


I'm sure there is more, but isn't that enough?

[King_David]

32. I'm pretty sure I am not the only one who hasn't a clue what this post means,

Please explain.

[King_David]

31. Here read again ... Rabbi Yoffe

Past Leader of the biggest Jewish group in the world , says :


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=93670

[azurnoir]

33. you didn't answer the question I read your post the first time no need to link back to it

I take it you do not wish to answer whether or not Jewish Voices for Peace is truly Jewish

[shira]

36. They're not representative of mainstream Jews at all. They're so fringe...

....they're like flat-earthers among geologists.

[azurnoir]

62. Jewish Voices for Peace are 'like' flat earthers?

Thanks glad you said that

[shira]

64. Well, yeah - when they speak for < 1% of all Jews they're WAY out...

...of the mainstream. They're a fringe group.

[azurnoir]

73. well if that's true (do you have a poll or something?) then

you made my point about the Yom Kippur comic, it wasn't making all Jews responsible for Israel's actions with regards towards the Palestinians it was asking them to question those beliefs

http://freedomfunnies.tumblr.com/post/98926187570/proposal-for-a-direct-action-yom-kippur-5775

[shira]

74. It is true, no if's. Even being generous, if there were 25,000 in the world....

....that makes up far less than 1% or 1 in 100. It's closer to 1 in 500 Jews.

There are unhinged, extreme cranks in all groups of people.

And why should all Jews question their beliefs? Do you believe like some rightwingers that all Muslims should question their beliefs due to worldwide terrorism?

[azurnoir]

76. except JVP didn't say "all Jews" did it ?

[shira]

78. Yeah, that cartoon shows they'd sneak into EVERY synagogue in America....

http://freedomfunnies.tumblr.com/post/98926187570/proposal-for-a-direct-action-yom-kippur-5775

It concludes with "only in this manner can WE seek atonement this year".

You would never defend that crap WRT all American Mosques where Muslims pray.

[azurnoir]

79. seems odd making such fuss over a cartoon did you feel the same about Hebdo or was that

"freedom of speech"?

[shira]

93. Do u believe in the idea that all Muslims are accountable for terror?

Or is that only making a fuss?

[azurnoir]

94. Not what I asked is it ?

[King_David]

82. I think we Jews are capable of deciding what is or is not antiSemitic for ourselves without help

From the outside ....

JVP seems to think this is true:
From their website....

Because we are Jews, we have a particular legitimacy in voicing an alternative view of American and Israeli actions and policies. As Jews, we can make the distinction between real anti-Semitism and the cynical manipulation of that issue to shield Israel from legitimate criticism

[azurnoir]

83. who exactly is "giving help" from the outside?

[King_David]

85. antiZionism is considered antisemitism by the majority of Jews

But people keep explaining it to us.

😙

[King_David]

40. Here's my post ,

What's that question got anything to do with what I posted?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=93670

But if you read their website membership to JVP is not restricted to Jews , anyone can join and I do not think it's possible to tell the percentages.... I don't think its important at all but they clearly think it is.
And so do many groups who use them as "cover" - read my post.

[azurnoir]

42. well someone thinks it's important but I am not sure it's the Presbyterians

but your comment on JVP's membership is noted

[King_David]

44. It's noted ? Are you keeping a file on me? nt

[King_David]

45. Presbyterians and others think it's very important

JVP provides the cover they want to protect them from charges of AntiSemitism ... They invaluable to these "antiZionist" groups and the very reason JVP considers themselves a Jewish group.

Q: Do I have to be Jewish to join JVP?
A: No. At JVP, we are inspired by Jewish values and traditions that call for peace and justice. At the same time, we welcome both Jews and allies who advocate for an end to the Israeli occupation and oppose anti-Jewish hatred, anti-Arab racism, and Islamophobia.

Because we are Jews, we have a particular legitimacy in voicing an alternative view of American and Israeli actions and policies. As Jews, we can make the distinction between real anti-Semitism and the cynical manipulation of that issue to shield Israel from legitimate criticism

http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/content/jewish-voice-peace-faq#jvpjewish

They not afraid to admit this themselves ...
That's the reason they are a "Jewish Group "

[shira]

52. They say they're Jews but JVP has both Jews & non-Jews.

I wonder what the percentage breakdown is.

[King_David]

55. That's not important

What's important is that they want to speak for Jews as their website says that as Jews they can tell what's antiSemitic and what is not ( therefore they very valuable as cover for so called "AntiZionists &quot

But they forget that if "as Jews " they have this ability, well so do the mainstream Jewish organizations and people too.

😄

[shira]

68. My point is they're Jews & non-Jews who think they speak for Jews....

It's funny non-Jews think they can do such a thing.

Gilad Atzmon, who they support, is also a Jew and he's a raging antisemite who speaks for practically no Jews on the planet.

[azurnoir]

75. JVP supports Gilad Atzmon? not according to their website

JVP Statement regarding Gilad Atzmon
Submitted by Sydney Levy on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:00pm

Jewish Voice for Peace's work for justice in Palestine/Israel is inspired by Jewish tradition, with a focus on principles of human rights, justice, and international law. JVP takes a strong stand against bigotry in any form, whether it be anti-Arab, anti-Muslim, or anti-Jewish. We do not work with anyone who uses oppressive language, imagery or those who attempt to demonize any group of people by ethnicity, religion or race.

Gilad Atzmon is currently on tour throughout the US. We view his public political stances as anti-Jewish and counterproductive to the pursuit of justice. Atzmon has an extensive record of demonizing Jews as a people under the guise of Palestine solidarity. For these reasons,we cannot endorse events in which he takes part.

https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/blog/jvp-statement-regarding-gilad-atzmon

[shira]

77. Yeah, they do. See #70 below...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=93734

[shira]

12. Apparently not disgusting at all in these here parts. n/t

[bemildred]

19. +1. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

30. The establishment, and those with an axe to grind, usually find protests offensive.

[shira]

65. Nah, they find Jew hating protests offensive - as they should. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

99. "Jew hating protests" from Did Jewish Voices for Peace?

[shira]

108. Yep. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

109. Okay, whatever you say....

[jollyreaper2112]

56. what an idiot

Palestinians are semites, too.

[King_David]

58. Good to see where this discussion is headed to

You'll fit in very well with some other posts here in this thread.

[jollyreaper2112]

59. oh, goodie!

Always nice to be counted amongst the informed and enlightened.

[King_David]

61. May be so but you don't know what the definition of antisemitism is :

Hint : it doesn't mean bigotry against Semitic people it means bigotry against Jews and Jews only ....

Try looking it up as this argument is stale.

Now I have enlightened you.

[jollyreaper2112]

63. It's an invented word

It was meant to sound more scientific than jew-hating. It's an imprecise and awkward construction that does violence to clear communication and meaning, positively antisemantic.

[King_David]

69. Yea it means hatred against Jews

That's the meaning of that "awkward " word and hatred against Jews ONLY and nobody/s else.

This discussion is stale.

[Shaktimaan]

116. Umm

Aren't all words "invented?"

It bears noting that just as "homophobia" doesn't imply a fear of homosexuals, the term "anti-semitism" doesn't refer to a hatred of Semitic people. Your attempt at negating the very word used to describe antagonism against the Jewish people is a perfect example of the concept in action.

Please, I'd love to hear more about your theory. You disagree with the verbiage of the term, therefore anyone using it is, what, wrong? Do you also insist that inflammable things are fireproof because you find that term confusing as well?

[shira]

70. May 2013: Jewish voice for peace promotes Gilad Atzmon

http://proisraelbaybloggers.blogspot.com/2013/05/jewish-voice-for-peace-promotes-gilad.html

[azurnoir]

80. The claims of ProIsrael bloggers? really who's 'proof' doesn't mention JVP?

this is the so called proof

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-niaUH1rt2I0/UY6P5M52doI/AAAAAAAAFa8/q5THWD8ixYM/s1600/JVP+gilad+Atzmon.jpg

[shira]

72. Gilad Atzmon: coached by JVP and Ali Abunimah on avoiding accusations of antisemitism

Rabid hate-monger Gilad Atzon has revealed startling new information about his relationship with the Electric Intifada's Ali Abunimah, as well as with Jewish voice for Peace.

Admittedly, Gilad Atzmon's veracity is questionable. The saxophonist is better know for his lapses into pure antisemitism than for his musical prowess. Last year, much of the anti-Israel community disavowed and disassociated with Atzmon. (Not so Deppen Webber and Paul Larudee of the International Solidarity movement They used Atzmon for a fundraiser in Oakland in support of the "Global March to Jerusalem".)

Surprisingly Gilad Atzmon recently revealed that both Ali Abunimah and Jewish voice for peace coached him on avoiding accusations of antisemitism, urging him to "refer to Zionism instead of Jewish identity"





http://proisraelbaybloggers.blogspot.com/2013/10/gilad-atzmon-coached-by-jvp-and-ali.html

[azurnoir]

81. again no mention of JVP only the claim of the same bloggers as above

[oberliner]

84. Yes there is

Abunimah basically advised me to mislead my readers and say ‘Zionist’ whenever I mean to say ‘Jewish’ so we (he and I) can ‘find grounds for a lot of agreement’. Around the same time I also met with a JVP top leader who repeated pretty much the same line. "Don’t refer to Jewishness, make sure you concentrate on Zionism," she said, "you will then enjoy our support."

Being repulsed by any form of political and activist dishonesty, I obviously dismissed both Abunimah’s advice and the JVP’s offer.

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/abunimah-rosenberg-anti-semitism-and-dishonesty.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[azurnoir]

86. so you're taking Atzmon's word for it? and linking to what must be an antisemitic website to do so?

as to Abunimah wasn't it you oberliner that pointed out he condemned Greta Berlin, but I can't quite remember why you said that as can you remind me?

[King_David]

87. What's Greta Berlin got to do with this? Concentrate more on how Oberliner just demolished your

enthusiastic and spirited argument.

[azurnoir]

88. He didn't demolish a darned thing he linked to antisemite Gilad Atzmons website

but it was a "valiant attempt" I commend you

[King_David]

89. Yea he proved the link between Atzmon ,JVP and

Abunimah... Even if he had to link to a disgusting site to do it..

That's way more than a "darned thing"
he proved the link and connection between them and he did it very nicely.

[azurnoir]

90. Atzmon's claims are dubious at best as he was fueding with named parties who had both denounced him

as antisemitic

[King_David]

91. I know it's very frustrating when Oberliner does that... Not many people can match up to him....

I know it's very frustrating when Oberliner does that... Not many people can match up to him.... Certainly not me or you.

[azurnoir]

92. it seems what was done was to show that that would be thought of as diametrially opposed parties

are both on the same page in their need to demonize Jewish Voices for Peace a group whom we're told is 'fringe' less than 1% ect, strange bedfellows indeed thanks you're right I at least could not have done that

[King_David]

95. Another post I don't get,

Explain again please.

[azurnoir]

96. I already did sorry if you don't understand

[King_David]

97. No problem, if anyone else understands maybe they can PM or tell me what it means?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

102. A supposedly educated person shouldn't need so much help understanding the simple things.

[shira]

114. Pro-Hezbollah group #NYC2Palestine disrupted Auschwitz vote along with JVP

https://twitter.com/NYC2Palestine/status/558369799970254850

https://twitter.com/AHarchane_/status/558366870089510912

https://twitter.com/NYC2Palestine/status/558549726300098560

This is really all one needs to know about JVP and BDS.

[King_David]

115. JVP purpose is to provide cover to other groups against charges of AntiSemitism

They say as much on their website.