Israel Introduces Progressive Trans Rights Law

[King_David]

Israel has joined some of the more progressive nations around the world, now allowing for gender changes for transgender people on national identification cards without surgery. The new rules followed in the wake of a Supreme Court ruling, which allowed two transgender Israelis to change their gender on their cards without medical intervention. This is seen as a landmark case, as prior to this, Israelis were only allowed to change their names.

From now on, the same group in the Ministry of Health that determined sex change operations will now determine and examine gender designation. If candidates are approved, the government will issue a certificate allowing for a gender change on national ID cards.

http://os.care2.com/all/israel-introduces-progressive-trans-rights-law#1

[shira]

1. But I've been told Israel is backwards, cruel, etc. N/T

[King_David]

2. The new PC way to slag Jews , Zionists and Israelis

Is to talk about how bad "Israeli Culture" to say what you need to say and immunize oneself against accusations.

[leftynyc]

3. Good for Israel

I'm guessing none of their neighbors would pass something like this.

[shaayecanaan]

5. Iran also allows trans people to legally reassign their gender

although I don't see that as a moral alibi for all the bad things that Iran does. To be honest I'm not sure how the apologists here seem to think that passing a law like this somehow does away with all the bad things that Israel does to the Palestinians.

The Nazis were the first to legislate mandatory paid annual leave for all employees. Does that take away from the bad things they did?

[King_David]

6. Iran ?

Two gay men killed by hanging in Iran

Two men are believed to have been put to death for 'consensual sodomy'. One source indicates the two men were put to death in order to ‘promote community safety’
- See more at:

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/two-gay-men-killed-hanging-iran130814#sthash.AFzcC9jl.dpuf

[shaayecanaan]

7. that story was discredited more than two years ago

http://76crimes.com/2012/05/12/4-iranians-sentenced-to-hang-for-sodomy/

If the convicted men are thugs rather than innocent gay men, one LGBT activist commented, “This type of carelessness does a good deal of damage to the credibility of LGBT rights advocacy. ”

[King_David]

10. Zone: These Ten Countries Can Kill You For Being Gay

http://www.queerty.com/no-fly-zone-these-ten-countries-can-kill-you-for-being-gay-20141013

Iran: In accordance with sharia law, homosexual intercourse between men can be punished by death, and men can be flogged for lesser acts such as kissing. Women may be flogged.

Next Excuse ?

[Peter Rollins]

13. So

Just because Israel is giving transgenders rights means Israel should be denying rights to (and in many cases) killing innocent Palestinians in the name of fighting terrorism?

[King_David]

14. Wow , where did you read that? Link it up ...

Did you post that on the right thread?

Do you also think Iran is not really killing us Gays?

[Peter Rollins]

15. But

where is the connection? Israel giving rights to "us gays," as you say, does not mean Israel can deny rights to another minority.

If a father has two sons, he cannot abuse one upon the excuse that he is not abusing the other.

[King_David]

16. I know you desperately want to change the topic

The way gays are treated in the PA territory or Gaza Iran and all surrounding countries of Israel is a fucking disgrace and should be shunned and boycotted by all human rights people of conscience.

Those countries would do well to emulate liberal democracies laws and human rights such as Israel.

BTW why do you use " " for "us gays,"
WTF does that mean?

[Peter Rollins]

17. "us gays" was what you wrote.

I quoted you.

Only because you acknowledge Israel's evilness are you forced to rely upon the irrelevant.

If Iran was doing something bad to Israeli gays, this might be relevant to Israel. But Israel could not care less about Iranian gays, and Iran stopping any gay policy will not change Israeli action.

You might as well say that because England castrated that math professor who broke the Nazi codes for being gay, Nazi Germany was correct for something it did during world war II. Guess what? Nazi Germany did not doing anything in world war II to protect English gay people. And Iranian gay issues have nothing to do with the Iran / Israeli dispute. Iran is not so stupid as to try to justify its policies on Israel upon the ground that Israel's ambassador to the USA does not follow Presidential protocol. But here, you do not emulate Iran's wisdom, perhaps because you have no alternative ground to justify Israeli crimes.

[King_David]

19. LGBT rights are universal and nobody should get a pass ever

The rest of your post is irrelevant to anything in this thread.

[Peter Rollins]

21. If the best

arguement that King David has to favor Israel in its conflict with Iran is Iran's treatment of Iranian gays, then I think everyone knows who won this arguement.

[King_David]

22. Do you support these regressive right wing countries that hate Gays so?

That is the statement which is very different from the 'argument' you said I was making.


Try again.

[Peter Rollins]

24. The issue here is not how good Iran is on issues unrelated to the Israeli/Iran conflict.

The chief judge in Alabama just told all Alabama judges to violate a federal order to allow gay marriage. Are you going to cite this as proof that Alabama police are entering homes without the required search warrant, or that Alabama prisoners are regularly beaten up by wardens? One issue has nothing to do with the other. Alabama does not lose every arguement upon the theory that it mistreats gays.

Is this really your best arguement in favor of Israel?

[King_David]

25. Another ridiculous analagy.

Do you believe Iran doesn't kill Gays and that if they do its not important ?

[Peter Rollins]

26. I believe

whether or not Iran kills gays is of no relevance here. That is like saying, since 100,000 people died in the Syrian war, we should let Israel steal Palestinian land to focus all our energy on the bigger loss.

[King_David]

27. Weather or not Iran or Hamas or ISIS kills Gays is of huge relevance

No country who kills LGBT should be recognized or welcome in civilized world.

Those countries need a forced culture change.

[Peter Rollins]

28. King David says, very strangely,

that as long as Iran doesn't kill gay people, it should be allowed a nuclear bomb.

[King_David]

29. No idea how you got that please link to where I said that

Or stop with the fabrications.

Best let me speak for myself and stop putting words in my mouth.

You may be new here but your debating technique of putting words in other people's mouths is dishonest to say the least.

[Peter Rollins]

30. The problem is

David does not see that is what he is saying, when he says Iranian gay rights determine the Israeli/Iranian conflict.

[King_David]

31. You're new here so maybe your not aware if you accuse someone of saying something you should prove It

Link to where I said any of those fabricatios of yours .

Come on .

Else I will assume you have a problem with Gays , right?

Link to where i said any of your fabricated quotes....

Do it

[Peter Rollins]

32. David said the reason we must

side with Israel in the Israeli/Iranian conflict is because of Iranian gay rights issues. I tried to tell him that one issue has nothing to do with the other, but he insists I am wrong.

This means that, if Iran gave better gay rights, we should tilt toward Iran on the Israeli/Iranian conflict. It is just his logic.

[King_David]

33. Your repeating your lie

Enjoy your short stay here on DU.


Bye

[Peter Rollins]

34. I think what you mean is:

I repeat my interpretation.

[leftynyc]

11. Are you going to try and deny

the death penalty is on the books in many Muslim countries for gay behavior? You want to pretend it's rainbow and unicorns for gays and other LGBT folks in Iran? Seriously? Well, as far as I'm concerned, you only discredit yourself with your complete dismissal of LGBT people with your behavior.

[shaayecanaan]

12. just pointing out that the story is a fraud

You seem to have a hostile relationship with the truth.

[leftynyc]

8. So just to be clear

According to you, nothing can be noted about Israel that falls into the "positive" column because of the Palestinians. Every single thing must - according to you - MUST be seen through the prism of YOUR position on the I/P issue or it isn't valid and should not EVER be commented on? That you compare it to the nazis shows how your perspective is too screwed up to take seriously. I believe I'll comment on whatever I want, in whatever perspective I want. You don't like it? Try the ignore button. I couldn't possibly care less.

[King_David]

4. Kick

[leftynyc]

9. Kick and rec

[azurnoir]

18. so gender is apparently decided by a committee

Still, some Israeli trans advocates have protested the unchanged requirement that any trans citizen's gender be approved by a Committee for Gender Ministry of Health, noting that having officals "decide" one's gender is degrading, notes Israeli LGBT rights organization A Wider Bridge.

http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2015/02/03/israel-canada-relax-surgical-barriers-trans-citizens-legal-recogniti

[King_David]

20. I agree with them

It needs to go further...

Thankfully LGBT rights move rapidly in Israel and every country or territory in the Middle East that does not grant any rights to LGBT should be shunned boycotted humiliated and boycotted .

Any culture prepared to kill LGBT for the crime of being Gay should be kicked out of the civilized world and certainly not be allowed to enter.

[leftynyc]

23. They're moving in the right direction

Unlike every single one of their neighbors.