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Related: About this forumLGBT Community In Iraq Face Total Hell
http://www.davidmixner.com/2012/09/lgbt-community-in-iraq-face-total-hell.html#moreWARNING: Graphic images at the link could be very upsetting to some, like me, for example.
MADem
(135,425 posts)region of the world, particularly in areas where religious influences of the fundamental sort hold sway.
I think Egypt is going to get ugly in future. Iran is already ghastly--they hang children for being gay.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)I realize the whole muslim world is lousy with gay murders.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Iran is BRUTAL, and to children, even.
I really think that being gay in many countries--like Iran, Iraq, and SA, for example--is a life-risking enterprise. I think people in that circumstance should be granted refugee status in Europe, USA, Australia, Asia, where laws guaranteeing basic human rights will be upheld.
This idiotic idea that "murdering all the gays will make 'it' go away" is just beyond stupid, as well as horrific.
okasha
(11,573 posts)which is not only not Muslim but whose government is closely affiilated with the American Dominionist "Family."
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Fortunately for the GLBT people there, the Kill the Gays bill hasn't become law, yet. We can also include Nigeria, which is at least partly muslim as well as christian.
Africa and the Middle East are cesspools of homophobia, largely. South Africa and Turkey are somewhat different. Israel has virulent homophobes in the ultra-right factions but at least offers its GLBT citizens some protections, not afforded elsewhere in the region.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Your facts are not in order.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)My facts are perfectly in order, not that it matters.
MADem
(135,425 posts)just stepped in it a bit with that retort.
It really helps to follow the thread.
You have a nice day now.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Free to be murdered by their culturally insecure neighbors.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)But the queers had to remain imprisoned because they were in the camps "legitimately". We've mostly gotten beyond that now, some 70 years or so after the fact. Islam will keep GLBT people in terror for much longer, I think.
pinto
(106,886 posts)And many in towns that held holocaust concentration camps. I think the trend toward social equality is inevitable for gays, women, ethnic minorities, religious minorities, non-religious minorities, etc. Ironically, given the focus today on a bizarre anti-Islam internet video, the internet will be a big player in the move towards equality, imo.
http://andrejkoymasky.com/mem/holocaust/ho08.html
1984 - Mauthausen
Since 1984, memorials to homosexual victims of the Nazi regime have appeared in various cities and memorial sites at former concentration camps. Former concentration camp Mauthausen got the first monument acknowledging gay prisoners in 1984. This was possible because the control of the site was with the Ministry of Interior, not the various survivor groups, which would have objected.
1985 - Dachau
The survivor groups prevented a similar plaque from being mounted in Dachau for ten years. In 1985, on the 40th anniversary of the liberation of the camp, gay and lesbian activists staged a demonstration - angering the organizers, but supported by the public. By now, they have gotten used to the gay participation in these yearly commemorative events, and the gay and lesbian ceremonies are announced in the official programme.
1985 - Neuengamme
Memorial to homosexual victims at Neuengamme concentration camp. One hundred homosexuals were imprisioned at Neuengamme. At least 33 of these men lost their lives. The exact count is probably much higher.
<more at link>
http://andrejkoymasky.com/mem/holocaust/ho08.html
Old Union Guy
(738 posts)In the era when the Nazis were sending gays to the camps, all the "good guy" countries had similar policies.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)That's what the United States did. Yep.
pinto
(106,886 posts)Wasn't till the 90's that Paragraph 175 was stricken entirely from the legal codes.
Plantaganet
(241 posts)No surprise there. In countries where religion is more fanatical, our people suffer more.
mitchtv
(17,718 posts)too bad it's all taken already.
msongs
(67,347 posts)MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)for GLBT people, anyway.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)>>>So hard to believe that over 5,000 American citizens died to create an open and free society in Iraq.>>>
They may have believed that lie, and they may have thought they were doing that but they were in reality dying to secure a second term for Bush, Jr. and to secure US access to Iraq oil. Round-up of lgbts is an intended or unintended( it's not, at this time, entirely clear) secondary consequence. But certainly a PREDICTABLE consequence. No?
Sorry... if I have to choose between an Iraq under Saddam ( w. live, generally tolerated, gay people) and systematically murdered gays, a Bush second term, and US companies w. low-cost, profitable access to Iraqi oil, I gotta choose Saddam.
So where the F is "our" media? Where are "our" elected officials?
K and R
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Everyone on planet Earth w. an IQ above 75 knows this.
If it is "turning over the names of lgbts " to the militias " so that they can be liquidated, it is doing so because it is thusly enabled by the US Govt'.
So, I ask you: where does the responsibility for these murders lie?
dickthegrouch
(3,169 posts)If the suspected gays are being asked to name other gay or suspected gay people, they should name every homophobic cleric, politician, prosecutor, and police chief they can think of. When the oppressors start having to defend themselves, things might change.