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Fearless

(18,421 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:27 AM Jun 2013

My Assessment of the Michelle Obama / Protester Issue

Primarily, I am disappointed with Michelle Obama's response to the protester

This is because her comment comes across as both belittling and holier-than-thou. She attempted to, intentionally or unintentionally, use peer pressure to verbally bully another human being into silence by threatening the guests that she would leave if the person did not be quiet. Her comments come across as very belittling of the issue the protester had and thereby also of an entire group of people.

As you may well have seen today, the LGBT population of this nation (and certainly of DU) is wary to believe in or otherwise trust political figures (and she is a political figure, whether by title or association it doesn't matter). This is because we have been heavily targeted by politicians in the last century as objects of evil and sin, as political tools to spread conservatism, and generally as aberrant citizens.

Now, as we are gaining ground and have won several important (albeit small) victories towards equality, it is extremely vexing to see someone, who thus far has seemed to be passively accepting of LGBT people (ie. neither ardent supporter nor detractor), act in such a way. It is disheartening to see that someone in her position, whom we have come to trust to some extent, respond, intentionally or otherwise, using peer pressure to silence an LGBTer.

Why is this particular moment important? It is because it wasn't planned. It was a gut reaction. When challenged on LGBT equality, rightfully or improperly timed as it may be, she responds contemptuously and wholly without regard or respect for the issue at hand but rather the opposite. She responds like we would expect a Republican to respond.

Had she dismissed the issue simply and kindly or sought to actually point out her support for LGBT issues, would have made this a complete non-issue. To AT ALL vocalize support of LGBT issues in that moment, as a gut reaction, she would have come across strongly to the LGBT community. But in that second, she reacted very negatively. When you look at that reaction through the lens of LGBTers experience with politicians, you ignite anger and frustration. LGBTers feel betrayed by someone who has in the least been a passively positive supporter of LGBT equality. It is, essentially, a giant slap in the face.

By demonizing the protester, she demonizes all those people, and there are millions of us, who feel EXACTLY the same frustration the protester feels that caused the protester to act in the way she. We are frustrated that in the 21st century we are still being judged by our innate characteristics instead of by our contributions. It is maddeningly frustrating to see and be a part of the 2008 and 2012 elections, to witness a giant step towards racial equality, and yet to be left behind by an administration that has not moved quickly enough on LGBT issues.

Many suggest that the Obama administration has been the most LGBT-friendly administration in history. And they're right. It has. But, we share a common ground with the Obama's. We both know hate and intolerance. We've both fought the same battles, often together, to bring equality into being. The president and indeed Mrs. Obama are both intelligent, experienced individuals. Both know what inequality means in this country still to this day. And both could be doing so much more because of that knowledge to further social equality in this nation. Have they done more than any president in the past for LGBTers? Again, yes. But with their understanding, with their roots in social movements in their youth, they could do SO much more, but haven't. They have not used their privileged knowledge of inequality to the best of their abilities to affect lasting meaningful change. In much the same way that you applaud a "C" student for getting a "B" on a test whereas you would suggest that a perennial "A" student should try harder if they only achieve a "B" on the same test, I believe the Obama's should be held to a higher standard than average wealthy WASP administrations because they KNOW what inequality is. They are not ignorant of the fact. They have experienced it first hand working in Chicago. There is a different standard they must be held to, because they are able to do more. They both simultaneously do more than any previous administration and fail to do enough because of that standard and the expectations that can be had of them based on their understanding of social inequality.

So take all this in and understand all the hate, violence, intolerance, and disrespect we've been dealt as a group for generations and see it being perpetuated by someone we had come to see as an ally and we can't help but feel betrayed.

IMHO of course,
-Fearless

EDIT TO ADD:

PS. You can also tell how someone feels based on the usage of the words "protester" vs. "heckler". The shoe thrower was a protester. The Billionaires for Wealthcare were protesters. This individual is evidently a heckler. It's telling.

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My Assessment of the Michelle Obama / Protester Issue (Original Post) Fearless Jun 2013 OP
That heckler thing has bothered me throughtout... uriel1972 Jun 2013 #1
Thank you. Very well put. n/t TDale313 Jun 2013 #2
You are wrong - Michelle did the right thing dem in texas Jun 2013 #3
Have "all the bleedings feel sorry for her?? Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #4
Bleeding Hearts I assume... uriel1972 Jun 2013 #5
Bleeding hearts. JoeyT Jun 2013 #10
"She was only doing it for own selfish person" MNBrewer Jun 2013 #6
The problem with your assessment is that the cable news was NOT present Fearless Jun 2013 #11
Well said. William769 Jun 2013 #7
Well said, this should be in GD but.... MuseRider Jun 2013 #8
It's also very telling that Michelle Obama's p.r. team demonized all gay people in their response. yardwork Jun 2013 #9

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
1. That heckler thing has bothered me throughtout...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:39 AM
Jun 2013

She was protesting, not heckling. Also the "right and proper time and place" arguments get up my nose.

dem in texas

(2,673 posts)
3. You are wrong - Michelle did the right thing
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:07 AM
Jun 2013

First of all the heckler was wasting her time trying to speak to Ms. Obama, if she wanted to protest or heckle, she should have done it against the president or congress. She only heckled Ms Obama at this fund raiser so she could get on the Cabke News and have all the bleedings feel sorry for her. She (the heckler) was rude and trying to take advantage of Ms Obama and did not care one bit about the people who where there or the cause they were supporting. She was only doing it for own selfish person and she deserved a strong put down. Ms Obama was right to be angry as the heckler was taking advantage of her.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
10. Bleeding hearts.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:51 AM
Jun 2013

It's right wing speak for liberals, generally only used by the furthest of the far right, and of those usually only the ones over fifty. The rest of the post is a big screaming dog whistle too.

It'll stand because it's directed at the "right" group.

I'm waiting for someone to snap and go ahead and use the "f" word.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
6. "She was only doing it for own selfish person"
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 07:37 AM
Jun 2013

Are you saying that she wanted something PERSONALLY FOR HER out of it? Or are ALL GLBT rights "selfish"?

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
11. The problem with your assessment is that the cable news was NOT present
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:20 PM
Jun 2013

This was a private party. Therefore, it simply cannot be about media grandstanding. Secondly, how is it that you both say that "heckling" or as I call it protesting, is ineffective but then simultaneously suggest that she should have done it against the president or Congress instead? That seems like a double standard to me. Thirdly, I have not claimed that this event was a successful way to further LGBT equality. Let me disabuse you of that. There are much more effective ways of getting your point across. I direct you toward my bit on LGBT frustration to describe why she protested that day. And fourth and finally, it is NEVER EVER selfish to stick up for civil rights. It is one of the most honorable and courageous things a person can do. I am sick of this "go to the back of the bus" mentality that some people on DU seem to have. There is no "appropriate time" to discuss LGBT equality any more than there is an "appropriate time" to discuss women's rights or racial equality. So long as those inequalities exist ALL times are appropriate times and ALL venues are appropriate venues. Some methods may be more effective than others, but NONE, ABSOLUTELY NONE, are selfish. The inability to empathize with an individual fighting for equal rights, now THAT'S what's selfish.

William769

(55,142 posts)
7. Well said.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:12 AM
Jun 2013

I felt something off yesterday myself but was missing a piece of the puzzle heckler/protester. I probably missed it by the initial shock reaction of DU including one of the DU administrators.

Yesterday was definitely a replay we have seen on DU before and at least for me any goodwill gained since then has been lost.

They can keep their fucking kool-aid, I don't want it.

I have said it before and I will say it again it's always the time and always the place when it comes to equality and anyone who doesn't believe that is no friend to activism and no friend of mine.

MuseRider

(34,095 posts)
8. Well said, this should be in GD but....
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:18 AM
Jun 2013

Thank you. I have always felt that those in high position, and that certainly includes FLOTUS especially when fund raising and working political groups, should give every citizen a chance. If someone is hurting enough to come out and do something as difficult as putting themselves out there like this then they should not be shut down and bullied away. A short pause to determine if the person is a crank or not is called for. A kind word if this person is not a crank and a promise of a short listen after the speech would have been a kind way of letting the country know that she cares about this issue and all people who are hurting because of it. This is just horrible PR to anyone who is not so enamored as to make all kinds of excuses for the behavior.

Giving speeches is hard but at this point (and I think she was probably already great at it before she became FLOTUS) she should be able to stop and gather herself and be generous. I have always thought she was a kind woman, intelligent and probably one of the coolest first ladies we have had. I still do think those things but the way this was handled was pretty awful, hopefully just an error in judgement.

You have enumerated many of the things that were bothering me yesterday and I had not figured it all out yet. Wasn't Medea last week or two weeks ago also called a heckler? Wow, such a change in terms for a tax paying citizen doing their duty as all citizens are called to do, even encouraged to do.

**one other thing** Why is is always assumed that these people are looking for personal notoriety? I have put myself in similar positions, mostly not in any sense that the coverage would be national, and I have always been terrified. I did it because I believed in something but I was terrified. I can't imagine that even someone like Medea Benjamin, who has done this for years, is ever quite comfortable when doing it.

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
9. It's also very telling that Michelle Obama's p.r. team demonized all gay people in their response.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:28 AM
Jun 2013

I see your point about how Michelle Obama's response as belittling, but overall, the incident wouldn't have bothered me if it had ended with the exchange between Ms. Obama and the protester. But it didn't end there. I think that Ms. Obama's public relations team recognized that she was about to get smeared with the typical attacks from the right-wing about "angry black women." To get out in front of that they had to quickly exchange an even more vulnerable group - "angry heckling lesbian" - and to make sure that the anger directed at the "heckler" swept away any anger directed at Ms. Obama, the "heckler" was painted as a racist. Then, the word went out that all gay people are racists. And that's what erupted on DU.

The old libel that all LGBT people are racists was all over DU yesterday. Anybody who disagreed was immediately painted as a racist themselves.

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