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spicysista

(1,663 posts)
Thu May 31, 2018, 10:48 AM May 2018

#Metoo May Be In Trouble...A Call to Arms

This is a plea to all sisters, everywhere. #Metoo is a wonderful movement that is bringing to the forefront an uncomfortable topic, sexual harassment, and its prevalence in the workplace. However, there is a looming problem on the horizon. For some, #Metoo has become too "Hollywood". I know, irony is dead, right? The "thing" that has helped the movement spread and give it the most visibility may also be what is holding back it's progress among new groups.

Take a moment to visit a few right wing sites and search "metoo". You will find a few common, but important themes in criticism of the movement. "It's an attack on OUR men and OUR boys" , "It's an attack on Christian values", and my favorite, "It's an attack on sexual freedom"! Okay, the last one is attributed to French actress Catherine Deneuve, but the other two were featured in several articles on various right wing websites.

These criticisms are heard from my neighbors (the vast majority of whom are white) during my visits back home. Where is home? The deep south, where victims of #metoo are not deciding whether or not to use the casting couch. Instead, these women (my neighbors specifically) are nurses, state workers, and teachers who have personally told my mom and I stories that would absolutely fit into the movement. However, they echo these talking points as if they are less worthy than the men who seek to victimize them.

Full disclosure, I'm a black woman, so I can not provide all the answers. Many of my white sisters find themselves in a peculiar situation.......both a victim and benefactor of white patriarchy. This makes speaking to this issue a very delicate but necessary task. As I've said, I do not have all of the answers. However, I know that in order for the movement to really make a difference, we must include as many people as possible.

I can think of a couple of very human solutions that may seem small, but may lead to big changes. The first, is marketing! #Metoo isn't just about Ashley Judd (but thank you for standing up, Ms. Judd), it's also about "Rose" at Ihop who's manager may take away her extra hours she so badly needs if she rebuffs his/her advances. #Metoo is the church secretary, "Claire", who's senior pastor greets her with a "playful" slap on the rear. We need to lift these stories so that more women, like my neighbors, can see themselves in #metoo.

The next, very human, solution I can offer is to "don't give up". I can't tell you how hard it was for me to get to where I am today with my neighbors. My "welcome" into the neighborhood, at a time when my mom was newly divorced and my only sister was in the hospital, consisted of the cops being called on us 4 times.......by a couple of those same neighbors. It's been a long road, but inspired by the graciousness of my mother and grandmother (along with a few hard conversations that took years of meaningful exchanges), we are here .

Why did I tell that story? What does it mean for you and the advancement of #metoo? As I stated, 'don't give up" . I can not count the number of times that I've read something like, "I don't talk to that part of my family because..." .These statements are often coming from white folks that are not talking to other white folks. Sisters! This can not continue.

Let me be clear, I'm not asking you to take abuse or subject yourself to anything unhealthy. But we must try a bit harder. Think about these glaring facts: (1) Roy Moore received 63% of the white female vote and(2) Donald Trump got 52% of the white female vote. It needs to be stated again, we must try harder.

#Metoo, ultimately, is about our society. It's about what we've tolerated as "normal" and tacitly condoned, collectively. In order to change that dynamic, it's going to take a seismic shift. Such a shift will require as many hands on deck as possible. This is a call to arms. Black, liberal, and minority sisters are mustering. We need help recruiting. Is everyone accounted for? What are you doing to help bring #metoo to your neighbors?



This op was posted at the slight nudging of another DUer. I hope she approves!

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#Metoo May Be In Trouble...A Call to Arms (Original Post) spicysista May 2018 OP
It didn't help the MeToo movement when the organizers aligned with Farrakhan Wwcd May 2018 #1
What??? The Women's March group and the MeToo movement are two DURHAM D May 2018 #2
#MeToo & Women's March grew from each other Wwcd May 2018 #6
#MeToo was in existence long before the Women's March, but nice try. niyad May 2018 #9
Excuse me?? "Nice try" nothing...In 2018 the entire movement & march became one big self supporting Wwcd May 2018 #13
as was pointed out, your basic premise is based on incorrect information. you niyad May 2018 #14
I ignored nothing. Wwcd May 2018 #17
Tarana Burke..... spicysista May 2018 #3
Thank you. Good response. nt DURHAM D May 2018 #4
Anytime. I just don't get it. spicysista May 2018 #5
Next thing you know we will see posts that DURHAM D May 2018 #7
Oh, you're bad! spicysista May 2018 #8
Remember the OR promoted Women's Convention that tried to hail a man as its keynote? Wwcd May 2018 #16
They grew from each other Wwcd May 2018 #12
Sarsour, Mallory & Perez claimed A LOT of promo credit for the 2017 March. Wwcd May 2018 #15
I'm trying to follow you... spicysista May 2018 #18
Yes got it. My point is the hard fought decades long women's movement, having been Wwcd May 2018 #20
okay...I see. spicysista May 2018 #22
we are all well aware of your feelings about the Women's March. however, as has been niyad May 2018 #19
No one hijacked the OP. I have a point to make about the strength of the Women's Movement & #MeToo Wwcd May 2018 #21
K and R + several gazillion for this very thoughtful piece. I would love to see it in GD as well, niyad May 2018 #10
Okay. Thank you, Niyad. spicysista May 2018 #11
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
1. It didn't help the MeToo movement when the organizers aligned with Farrakhan
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:13 AM
May 2018

The three of them did more damage when they were outed than anything else.

MeToo was "everyone" regardless of political preference.
It was a slap & an insult to find out that Sarsour of all people was running a big mockery of a campaign.

I hope it can regroup & be a force for what all who joined in originally believed it to be.

Maybe needs some new organizers besides Our (deceptive)Revolution & Farrakhan figureheads.

They blew up an incredible united force, when the truth of their self serving purpose was made known.
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Tamika Mallory's disqualifying embrace of Louis Farrakhan: She can't lead the Women's March and back a virulent anti-Semite

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/opinion/tamika-mallory-disqualifying-embrace-louis-farrakhan-article-1.3863177%3foutputType=amp


SNIP

"Lest you need a quick refresher, Farrakhan has also over the years said, "It is now becoming apparent that there were many Israelis and Zionist Jews in key roles in the 9/11 attacks."
And: "The Jews have been so bad at politics they lost half their population in the Holocaust."

And: "Hitler was a very great man."
He has called white people a race of "devils." He has called black men like Julian Bond and the NAACP "slaves."
He has condemned homosexuality.
He has called it the duty of men to keep their wives covered.

But back to that organization purporting to speak for female empowerment. It is bad enough that Mallory, along with co-leaders Linda Sarsour and Carmen Perez, were there when Farrakhan let loose his latest hate.
It is far worse that they refused to issue a swift, clear and categorical condemnation of what they heard.


Tuesday, weeks into the backlash, the Women's March finally found the courage to state that Farrakhan's "statements about Jewish, queer and trans people" are "not aligned with" its unity principles.

Mallory can't bring herself to say as much. Wednesday, in a statement claiming to have "heard the pain and concerns of my LGBTQAI siblings, my Jewish Friends and Black women," she mustered not a word of condemnation for Farrakhan's vile ideology.

She added that she has been attending the Nation of Islam Saviours' Day event for more than 30 years, as though it is a mitigating factor. Hardly: It only proves she knew exactly the climate into which she walked.

If the Women's March continues to count her as a leader, the organization deserves to fail.

DURHAM D

(32,604 posts)
2. What??? The Women's March group and the MeToo movement are two
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:29 AM
May 2018

very different things. MeToo does not have anything to do with Farrakan etc.



The Women's March group is in the toilet. MeToo not.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
6. #MeToo & Women's March grew from each other
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:06 PM
May 2018
Galvanized by #MeToo and a Year of Trump, the Women’s March Returns to the Streets

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/01/womens-march-2018/amp

SNIP
Many of the signs and people exiting the Columbus Circle subway station were a familiar sight from last year—pink pussy hats and clever signs with the occasional pop culture reference (“Keep your filthy paws off my silky drawers” ). But the signs of the changes of the last year were everywhere, including one sign with the Time’s Up hashtag prominently featured.
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
13. Excuse me?? "Nice try" nothing...In 2018 the entire movement & march became one big self supporting
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:09 PM
May 2018

gathering.
In 2018 #METOO & those all the pink pussy hats from the Women's march of 2017 joined in their message.
Farrakhan's groupies were & should be lost to history.

The Movements evolved beyond the deception of the opportunistic Sarsour, Mallory & Perez.

We do not need them in a united front for women's issues in the worl of Trump.

The Women's march & #MeToo among many other worthy groups have done just fine, and they will continue to move forward together, as we saw here in 2018 .





niyad

(113,038 posts)
14. as was pointed out, your basic premise is based on incorrect information. you
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:12 PM
May 2018

were given the correct information and choose to ignore it.

so, as I said, nice try. we all understand what the point is.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
3. Tarana Burke.....
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:35 AM
May 2018

Tarana Burke founded the metoo movement 10 years ago to provide assistance to underserved sexual assault victims. I'm not sure what Linda Sarsour and Carmen Perez, or anyone else has to do with that fact. I don't see any connection to Minister Farrakhan and #metoo.

The women's march was organized, partnered and sponsored by a number of groups. These include but are not limited to: Planned Parenthood, Naral Pro-Choice, Emily's List, and NRDC. Friends of the movement include, but are not limited to: Peace is Loud, MoveOn.org, and the ACLU. Do you also have a problem with these groups and organizations?


spicysista

(1,663 posts)
5. Anytime. I just don't get it.
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:59 AM
May 2018

Sorry, I took a while longer to respond. I did quick search online and could not find what the previous poster was talking about concerning the movement. Thinking it may be a right wing misinformation campaign, I looked on a few sites (National Review, American Thinker, and Red State) and could not find anything. I even looked at Amren, and the stuff that came up there when searching "metoo" and "farrakahn" together were horrible, but not related to anything the poster was talking about.
I'm just puzzled.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
16. Remember the OR promoted Women's Convention that tried to hail a man as its keynote?
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:31 PM
May 2018

They were soundly reminded that the women's movement belongs to the women who have slogged in the trenches to move women's rights an inch forward at a time.

Failed because women saw the self promotion of their decades long work being given honor to a man that has a dismal record for us.

"Rape is not a fantasy" became the trending message that eliminated OR's push for an undeserving speaker, on behalf of women's rights.

Once again, the entire Movement, Marches & #MeToo will NOT be hijacked by self serving opportunists.

And this is twice now that Women have stopped those in their tracks who saw to use their sincere issues for a prop.

#MeToo and the Women's Movement are now a united force along with many others who stand for women's rights, human rights as we watch the Trump admin slash them so easily.






 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
12. They grew from each other
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:56 PM
May 2018
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/01/womens-march-2018/amp

Women's March was originally promoted by Sausour & Mallory with now questionable intent.


The March of 2018 brought a more united front & the likes of Sausour & Mallory being outed will perhaps help all women's causes to be pulled from the bad taste left by the Farrakhan alliance.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.refinery29.com/amp/2018/01/188438/womens-march-2018-best-protest-signs

SNIP

In 2017, millions of women took to the streets to protest the inauguration of Donald Trump. This weekend, hundreds of marches are planned in cities worldwide as the movement grows in size and ambition. Plus, the protest signs just get better and better with each march.

The march in Los Angeles takes on a deeper meaning after the onslaught of sexual harassment and assault allegations made against men in Hollywood who have used their positions of power to abuse others.

Movements like Me Too and Time's Up have brought about an increased awareness with celebrities putting their influence toward bringing about lasting change.
MORE..

THIS is where the entire women's movement should go. It should and will become a mass effort.

The 2017 Women's March was worthy, the promoters were deceptive.

This is what I am referring to.
Sarsour, Mallory & Perez need to bow out.






 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
15. Sarsour, Mallory & Perez claimed A LOT of promo credit for the 2017 March.
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:20 PM
May 2018

Their website & twitter acct patted themselves on the back & were lauded, thanked & their names became well known in tbe promotion as well as speaker organizing.

They didn't create the Women's Movement but the March of 2017, in typical opportunistic fashion gave themselves credit.
Then came the truth of who's beliefs they actually applauded. Farrakhan.

I for one am glad they were revealed for who they are.

Women's Movement as well as #METOO will survive long past the self serving Farrakhan groupies.

THIS is my point.
#METOO will be fine with the joing force of the Women's Movement once the self serving mockery of opportunists stay out of it.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
18. I'm trying to follow you...
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:48 PM
May 2018

The context of this post is about a movement that started 10 years ago to help the underserved minority women who'd experienced sexual assault (helping them survive, revive, then thrive). I'm sounding the alarm that many white women are staying on the sides of the movement because of the reasons outlined in the piece and that we must work harder to bring them into the fold. Empowering them to know that "the way things are" is not the ways things have to be.
What does Tarana Burke and my piece have to do with Minister Farrakhan?
I feel that your question is missing my mission in writing this today. I am troubled that we are missing an opportunity to enlist more women into the group. Our marketing must broaden to reflect people like my neighbors (back home). None of them mentioned the minister in their critique of the movement and I doubt they even know any of the other ladies you've mentioned.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
20. Yes got it. My point is the hard fought decades long women's movement, having been
Thu May 31, 2018, 02:02 PM
May 2018

recently hijacked for self serving, opportunistic purposes, needs to be always dilligent in keeping it for & about the original purpose.

It should & appears to be now on track to do just that.
It is through allowing opportunists to climb on the backs of those who built the movement & claim credit, for self-serving & perhaps nefarious means, whether to split up & cause division among us in order to weaken our strength, or simply to profit & promote themselves, ..we need to be wary of who steps in to promote themselves.

MeToo & the Women's Movement we see today is made from many voices all after the same result.
By women, for women & their personal & basic human rights.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
22. okay...I see.
Thu May 31, 2018, 02:20 PM
May 2018

Last edited Thu May 31, 2018, 03:46 PM - Edit history (1)

You're worried about the legacy. You care deeply about the movement and are trying to protect it.
I get that. But, that is always a concern with any large movement, right? Here's the rub, the women's movement has always been filled with controversial figures. I don't want to rehash all of that history, but some dicey things were said by distant leading figures of the women's rights movement. Rehashing all of that will take us down the road of intersectionality and that's not the point.
In protecting the legacy of women's rights (even an imperfect one) we can not worry about water being wet. In this case, opportunists.....well, being opportunistic. Whenever something mighty and powerful is happening, they are going to show up.
Instead, let us focus on affirming our own narrative and crafting an image that reaches the many and not the few.

niyad

(113,038 posts)
19. we are all well aware of your feelings about the Women's March. however, as has been
Thu May 31, 2018, 01:52 PM
May 2018

pointed out to you, the March and #MeToo are not interchangeable. you are free to post your feelings about the Women's March somewhere other than in an OP that has NOTHING to do with the Women's March. hijacking the OP is not appropriate.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
21. No one hijacked the OP. I have a point to make about the strength of the Women's Movement & #MeToo
Thu May 31, 2018, 02:08 PM
May 2018

and the fact that both are indeed becoming part of the same today. you could read the links I provided as proof, or whatever.

There's no argument here.
But there is an important point made as to the evolution & continuation thru solidarity.

Be diligent of those who seek to use us for personal reasons.



niyad

(113,038 posts)
10. K and R + several gazillion for this very thoughtful piece. I would love to see it in GD as well,
Thu May 31, 2018, 12:42 PM
May 2018

for greater visibility.

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